Do you trust the federal government?

Do you trust the federal government?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 4.3%

  • No

    Votes: 112 95.7%
  • Total voters
    117
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luthervol said:
Were we not talking about trust?
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yeah for the federal government.

its a standalone, yes or no question. you had to come in here and qualify your response, which to me says that your response is probably not very honest. especially when you start throwing out red herrings to avoid the actual question.

If you want to have a different discussion start your own thread or find a more relevant thread to have that discussion in. Don't get upset when people want to keep the discussion ITT on topic.
 
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LouderVol said:
wait? is this your second example?

Its the same dang thing, just at a local scale.

inefficient, not well maintained or designed, is a one size fits all standard that usually doesn't work well, destroys local communities, built a system of the government-business feedback loop/chicken egg problem of governments giving preferential treatment to certain contractors, and then receiving bribes back in the form of donations. in some places it may be the egg before the chicken, but only possible because the government is able to force through objectively bad ideas and practices because they are the government.
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No it's not my second example.

If the gov. did/does such a crappy job with roads, they should/would have been provided by non-government sources.

Pick any city or town in the history of the US and research the development of their roads. And while doing that, ask yourself why they weren't built by the private sector.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah for the federal government.

its a standalone, yes or no question. you had to come in here and qualify your response, which to me says that your response is probably not very honest. especially when you start throwing out red herrings to avoid the actual question.

If you want to have a different discussion start your own thread or find a more relevant thread to have that discussion in. Don't get upset when people want to keep the discussion ITT on topic.
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It was a stupid yes or no question.
No one fully trusts the government.
No one fully trusts the private sector.
 
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luthervol said:
Yet they were well aware that it was still more trustworthy than an absence of government.
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We have multiple layers of government form local all the way up to federal, they understood what an overpowering and expansive centralized government would bring and that's why they gave us the framework we have. Not many people are saying we should be sans government, just that we do not need a federal government like we have now.
 
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hog88 said:
Absolutely. Our federal bureaucrats and politicians are hard working honest people that only want what's best from their subjects.
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Seems a little unappreciative of what we have here in terms of standard of living -- sort of like fulmer hate from years ago. We've had it so good we may need a few Kiffin's and Pruitt's to remind us of what we really have.
 
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jvol1 said:
Seems a little unappreciative of what we have here in terms of standard of living -- sort of like fulmer hate from years ago. We've had it so good we may need a few Kiffin's and Pruitt's to remind us of what we really have.
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I don't think we owe our standard of living to bureaucrats or politicians, they're more of a hinderance than an assistance.
 
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Gandalf said:
The mistake you and most progressives make is to think that just because someone is well intentioned, they are actually effective. They have already fallen down the slippery slope into hell so they do not notice what the road leading to it was paved with.

The more government there is, the less democracy. Bureaucratic organizations aka the deep state is run by progressives as a job farm. Mind you, many Republicans are not much better in this regard when they get their chance. But that is the whole point. The people are best served not when a Dem is in charge or a Rep is in charge but when people are responsible for their own selves and decisions. He governs best who governs least.

There are certainly things where it is manifestly good to have a representative government act on our collective interests - but those areas are much much much fewer than are currently being addressed.

Other areas of collective benefit - feeding the poor, etc are best addressed through local religious organizations who have the insight and interest to impact the lives of the people they effect. But since most progressives have eschewed a belief in God, you can see why they have replaced it with a fervant worship of the state.
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Many conservatives are fond of saying God was the ultimate author of our constitution, but then support someone like trump who clearly wished to subvert it. Does that mean these conservatives are in rebellion against God?
 
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jvol1 said:
Many conservatives are fond of saying God was the ultimate author of our constitution, but then support someone like trump who clearly wished to subvert it. Does that mean these conservatives are in rebellion against God?
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It the Biblical book of Numbers, the prophet Balaam is taking a road that will lead to his destruction. His ass (donkey) actually sees the angel of God and will not move forward. Balaam continues to berate the donkey for not progressing forward until the angel opens the donkeys mouth to warn Balaam, whereupon he repents and turns back.

If God can use an ass to speak to those who go astray and keep them from destroying themselves, then Trump is perfectly positioned to play the part God has for him in repentance and helping to turn our nation back from the path of destruction.
 
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luthervol said:
Yet they were well aware that it was still more trustworthy than an absence of government.
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As far as I know, only huff has advocated an anarchistic approach. And,tbh, that's probably not even the full version of his concept.

Are there a significant amount of people, here, who extol the virtues of no government or was this a straw man created to agitate?

eta: inviting @n_huffhines to add clarity on my post if he wants.
 
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McDad said:
As far as I know, only huff has advocated an anarchistic approach. And,tbh, that's probably not even the full version of his concept.

Are there a significant amount of people, here, who extol the virtues of no government or was this a straw man created to agitate?

eta: inviting @n_huffhines to add clarity on my post if he wants.
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No. But there are a significant amount of people here who claim to hate "the government" and consistenty portray it in the worst possible light.
 
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luthervol said:
No. But there are a significant amount of people here who claim to hate "the government" and consistenty portray it in the worst possible light.
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The vast majority of them are referring to the federal government in its current form. You took it down the rabbit hole of them advocating for no government.
 
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hog88 said:
The vast majority of them are referring to the federal government in its current form. You took it down the rabbit hole of them advocating for no government.
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I think there is also room for those who "hate the government" because they hate fake, pandering, self serving, lying, entitled, elitist politicians who seem to thumb their nose at our constitution.

...but maybe that's just me. ;)
 
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hog88 said:
The vast majority of them are referring to the federal government in its current form. You took it down the rabbit hole of them advocating for no government.
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This is where I’m at.

I don’t really hold any resentment or feel overly frustrated with my local government. I’m not happy with our state government but overall it’s not terrible by any means. A mixed bag for sure.

But the Federal Govt? Nah, they’ve done lost their damn minds! Ironically so has the leader of the Federal Government
 
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VOLS INC. said:
This is where I’m at.

I don’t really hold any resentment or feel overly frustrated with my local government. I’m not happy with our state government but overall it’s not terrible by any means. A mixed bag for sure.

But the Federal Govt? Nah, they’ve done lost their damn minds! Ironically so has the leader of the Federal Government
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It's much easier to get the attention of your local government (or replace them) than even your house reps or federal bureaucrats.
 
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McDad said:
As far as I know, only huff has advocated an anarchistic approach. And,tbh, that's probably not even the full version of his concept.

Are there a significant amount of people, here, who extol the virtues of no government or was this a straw man created to agitate?

eta: inviting @n_huffhines to add clarity on my post if he wants.
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I’m probably more anarchistic than most. That does not mean I don’t favor leadership. I am for competent governance by true elites as opposed to the current elites and system that awards very mediocre and corrupt people.
 
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