Do you trust the federal government?

Do you trust the federal government?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 4.3%

  • No

    Votes: 112 95.7%
  • Total voters
    117
#351
#351
midnight orange said:
I’m probably more anarchistic than most. That does not mean I don’t favor leadership. I am for competent governance by true elites as opposed to the current elites and system that awards very mediocre and corrupt people.
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Could be dogmatic thinking. But wasn’t there once this idea that productive people in society that had gained leadership experience, understood proper delegation, and had a gift for executing a shared vision should serve their country for a temporary period of time by using their skills within the framework of government? Again, for a temporary period of time.

If so, WTH happened to that? A career politician just seems like a terrible idea. Yet here we are.
 
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#352
#352
luthervol said:
No it's not my second example.

If the gov. did/does such a crappy job with roads, they should/would have been provided by non-government sources.

Pick any city or town in the history of the US and research the development of their roads. And while doing that, ask yourself why they weren't built by the private sector.
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ok, what was your second example then?

Government funded roads weren't really a thing until 1916, when the government started pushing out local companies. just like many/most of the rail lines, and canals were built by private companies, the roads started the same, but got taken over.
The 3,000-Year History of Toll Roads - RateGenius.
 
#353
#353
VOLS INC. said:
Could be dogmatic thinking. But wasn’t there once this idea that productive people in society that had gained leadership experience, understood proper delegation, and had a gift for executing a shared vision should serve their country for a temporary period of time by using their skills within the framework of government? Again, for a temporary period of time.

If so, WTH happened to that? A career politician just seems like a terrible idea. Yet here we are.
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It was more true in the past than it is now. If you went back to the eighties and told democrat senators that Joe Biden would be president one day they would laugh you out of the room.
 
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#355
#355
luthervol said:
It was a stupid yes or no question.
No one fully trusts the government.
No one fully trusts the private sector.
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again you throw out red herrings and are being intellectually dishonest. It doesn't ask if you 100% trust anything, it just asks if you trust the government, yes or no. its not asking about their relative trust compared to other items. yes or no do you trust the federal government.

you don't have to be 100% trusting of the government to "trust" the government. you also don't have to be 0% trusting of the government to "not trust" the government. you seem to be arguing that even though the rest of us may trust the government 20% that means we should have answered "yes I trust the government", because 0% trust in the government exists.

its a simple question looking for a simple answer. you can say you trust them, and answer the question correctly. but when you come back and justify your yes based purely on a bunch of red herring distractions it says that you don't actually trust the government.
 
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#356
jvol1 said:
Someone has to say yes here. On the whole our government is filled with honest folks trying to do their job. It gets messy because in democracy no one ever really gets what they want, so you're always going to be at least a little dissatisfied with the result. If you think we've got it bad, there are plenty of other countries you can point to that are truly corrupt and have it much worse.
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That's a different question. Many of the people who work for the government are good people, but they are in a position where we can't trust their words and deeds.
 
#357
#357
hog88 said:
It's much easier to get the attention of your local government (or replace them) than even your house reps or federal bureaucrats.
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I actually favor increasing the number of Congressional reps to get back to 1 rep to about 30k population. On that ratio, it's Still not as easy to gain their attention as it is most local agents, but would be better than 1 rep for over 750k people.
 
#358
#358
VOLS INC. said:
Could be dogmatic thinking. But wasn’t there once this idea that productive people in society that had gained leadership experience, understood proper delegation, and had a gift for executing a shared vision should serve their country for a temporary period of time by using their skills within the framework of government? Again, for a temporary period of time.

If so, WTH happened to that? A career politician just seems like a terrible idea. Yet here we are.
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We kept voting for the same people.
 
#359
#359
n_huffhines said:
We kept voting for the same people.
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Do you know of any resource which quantifies the rate of incumbency and the length of office for incumbents through the years or decades?

Might be interesting to see how the "turnover" changed through the years (if at all).
 
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#360
McDad said:
I actually favor increasing the number of Congressional reps to get back to 1 rep to about 30k population. On that ratio, it's Still not as easy to gain their attention as it is most local agents, but would be better than 1 rep for over 750k people.
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I'd rather reduce the power than increase the number of reps.
 
#362
#362
McDad said:
I'd rather have both. Those in position in The People's House should have as close a relationship with the people as possible.
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I get your point and don't disagree, my fear is that with more members there will just be more manufactured problems that need federal involvement. If we could have some reduction in the bureaucracy to go along with the increased number of house members I'd be willing to compromise.
 
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#363
#363
n_huffhines said:
We kept voting for the same people.
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Fair point. We share responsibility for sure. I guess I was just getting more at the attitude towards how members of society view the decision to enter politics and how politicians (once elected) view the position they hold.(Especially at the Federal level)
 
#364
#364
hog88 said:
I get your point and don't disagree, my fear is that with more members there will just be more manufactured problems that need federal involvement. If we could have some reduction in the bureaucracy to go along with the increased number of house members I'd be willing to compromise.
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compromise? I heard we are vehemently against compromising???
 
#368
#368
BreatheUT said:
As luther notes, as an avid leftist and ideologue, the shift is only to the left. He just wonders how quickly and waits it out.
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We are just coasting along toward the elusive leftist utopia. It’ll be so nice not to be a slave to conservative social constructs like private property, gender, and equal opportunity!
 
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#370
#370
hog88 said:
The vast majority of them are referring to the federal government in its current form. You took it down the rabbit hole of them advocating for no government.
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I never went down that rabbit hole. I know that no one believes that.....even amongst this bunch of nut jobs.

My whole point is and always has been - b!tch and moan all you want, but never forget that it's a necessary evil which primarily fills gaps left unfilled by society.
 
#372
#372
McDad said:
Is it not a leap of logic to equate their hate of "the government" with preferring no government at all?
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I never once assumed anyone on this board was dumb enough to want no government.

I just want people to admit it's necessary as they are complaining.
 
#373
#373
luthervol said:
No it's not my second example.

If the gov. did/does such a crappy job with roads, they should/would have been provided by non-government sources.

Pick any city or town in the history of the US and research the development of their roads. And while doing that, ask yourself why they weren't built by the private sector.
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All roads should be toll roads.
 
#375
#375
luthervol said:
No. But there are a significant amount of people here who claim to hate "the government" and consistenty portray it in the worst possible light.
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you mean portray the truth? instead of ignoring the blemishes unless they are politically convenient for you to call out?
 
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