Do you trust the federal government?

Do you trust the federal government?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 4.3%

  • No

    Votes: 112 95.7%
  • Total voters
    117
#502
#502
LouderVol said:
I mean, what you are pointing out here was exactly the discussion. Its never been that we should have NO government, as luther likes to red herring about. Its that the government is doing too much and devaluing the nation with its actions instead of increasing the value. And its because it is too big, too inefficient, with too many layers, and lawyers. its fine on the outside looking in if you don't deal with it, and you can think "yeah this works". but when you deal with them it becomes very clear that less, even drastically less, would bring a better value than what we currently have.
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A lot of what you are talking about is state and local, not federal. How would it work if not the way it does? Do you imagine it's going to be possible to build in an urban environment like atlanta without pretty much everyone having a say in / signing off on new developments?
 
#504
#504
Jxn Vol said:
OxyContin is basically heroine in pill form. There is no safe way to use heroine.
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I think its stronger than heroin, but still has its uses after surgeries and for pain relief if used properly. Of course, all opiates are addictive, including the morphine which is so familiar in a hospital setting.
 
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#505
#505
hog88 said:
How? The job was already being done, the only thing that improved was the methods and science. The FDA in itself didn't improve drug safety.
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I dont think that's true. The impetus for the fda was food quality issues in the 19th century. It's one of those areas where its helpful to have a standard about what constitutes safe as opposed to leaving it to businesses for self monitoring.
 
#506
#506
jvol1 said:
I think its stronger than heroin, but still has its uses after surgeries and for pain relief if used properly. Of course, all opiates are addictive, including the morphine which is so familiar in a hospital setting.
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Incorrect. It is no longer used for post-op pain relief. It’s too addictive. Only approved for cancer and end of life care.
 
#507
#507
jvol1 said:
Used as prescribed, they're safe. When people abuse them they become evil. I dont think this falls on the fda.
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This is the original label on oxycontin, the one and only time anything like this was ever approved by the FDA.

“Delayed absorption as provided by OxyContin tablets, is believed to reduce the abuse liability of a drug.”
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#508
jvol1 said:
I dont think that's true. The impetus for the fda was food quality issues in the 19th century. It's one of those areas where its helpful to have a standard about what constitutes safe as opposed to leaving it to businesses for self monitoring.
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Food safety is a self monitoring system, the vast majority of inspections are done at the state level. Drug approvals are pretty much on the honor system.
 
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#509
Jxn Vol said:
Incorrect. It is no longer used for post-op pain relief. It’s too addictive. Only approved for cancer and end of life care.
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As far as I know it's still legal when used as prescribed by a doctor for pain relief, post op or otherwise. The medical field may use other drugs for this purpose now that work better with hopefully less risk. It's just much more difficult to get in light of the opiod crises in which doctors over prescribed and purdue marketed the product based on some false claims.
 
#510
#510
jvol1 said:
A lot of what you are talking about is state and local, not federal. How would it work if not the way it does? Do you imagine it's going to be possible to build in an urban environment like atlanta without pretty much everyone having a say in / signing off on new developments?
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The same problems that exists at the local/state level exist at the federal level. FWIW they also have an impact on the zoning, and a lot of stuff that goes into the predevelopment side.

yes, it would absolutely be possible to build without the current amount of input. Zoning's sole place should be use, and the various setbacks, and that should be the end of it. Again, its not a case of completely removing the government, its about drastically cutting it back.
 
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#513
hog88 said:
Food safety is a self monitoring system, the vast majority of inspections are done at the state level. Drug approvals are pretty much on the honor system.
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The fda conducts a great many inspections itself and what's done at the state and local level implements fda standards. It's good to have national consensus on the standards because people tn dont have to worry about varying standards in other states.
 
#520
#520
Vol since 77 said:
I just want to see the 4 back up their vote with a few reasons why, lol
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As lopsided as the vote was here, it indicates we do not have a very young crowd. I find a lot more under 30-35 who are all in that the Federal government is their benevolent guardian angel than in older folks.
 
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#521
#521
Orangeburst said:
i stated my reason
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I voted No because I don't trust any politician with the exception of one (local state rep.) that did exactly what she told me and my wife she was going to do. She followed through and has received mine and my family's votes ever since. All the others I've had dealings with were the shadiest people on this earth. I spent the last 15 years working in govt for both R's and D's so I have plenty of up close experience and have watched politics destroy many people's lives.
 
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#522
GroverCleveland said:
As lopsided as the vote was here, it indicates we do not have a very young crowd. I find a lot more under 30-35 who are all in that the Federal government is their benevolent guardian angel than in older folks.
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not really. there is a bunch of younger liberals getting back to the anti-gov roots. Or at least anti-establishment roots. The Berni-bros and the like. They are very negative about the government, until it comes time to line up behind their spokesperson.
 
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#524
Vol since 77 said:
I just want to see the 4 back up their vote with a few reasons why, lol
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