Do you trust the federal government?

Do you trust the federal government?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 4.3%

  • No

    Votes: 112 95.7%
  • Total voters
    117
#51
#51
Vol8188 said:
Lol when you say “form” you’re expanding your definition of government to such an absurd level that it just makes everything you’re saying a joke.

“A family has a hierarchy, therefore it’s a government!”
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I'll ask you. Would we have been better off had we never formed a US government?
Would we be better off if we completely elliminated it now?
 
#52
#52
hog88 said:
Longest lasting democratic republic was Rome and even during it's almost 500 year existence there were times it wasn't very democratic, next longest lasting is the USA. All governments fail when they become too big and centralized.
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We are possibly in the late stage empire phase. One sign is the geriatric kleptocracy we are currently operating under. It reminds me of the USSR with Brezhnev, Andropov and Chernenko just being propped up to keep the graft system going like old crime bosses.
 
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#58
#58
clarksvol00 said:
You're more than welcome to look into it.
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I did... Looks like our was banned completely... Then there have been compromises for different situation regarding the health on the mother and it fetus.... Thanks for offering my point that only one side compromises more... Be argued the right compromises to much and that why we're in the social decay we are
 
#60
#60
LouderVol said:
we would have been better off not corrupting the US government into an entity that enforces its will upon others. And note I said "its will", as in the US government's, not the people's.
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We would much better off if along the way people remembered that we are the United STATES of America and we are a constitutional republic.
 
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#61
#61
luthervol said:
I'll ask you. Would we have been better off had we never formed a US government?
Would we be better off if we completely elliminated it now?
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power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. It is literally what the FF were having to fight against, they understood it very well that a deeply established government ruled its people, and not the other way around.

we are there. you are presenting a false dichotomy as if it can only be what we currently have, or nothing at all. Its a very common tactic of yours, and at this point it is clearly intellectual dishonesty on your part to continue to present those as the two options.

we can/should tone back the federal government, and its largely should be focused on the agencies, and not the branches. We don't/shouldn't be lawless but we do need to be less-lawed. at this point the government is creating the divisions and the problems we are seeing in the nation. And it is 100% both sides, neither side is any better than the other. One side might be better on one particular item, but overall they are both the same.
 
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#62
#62
whodeycin85 said:
I did... Looks like our was banned completely... Then there have been compromises for different situation regarding the health on the mother and it fetus.... Thanks for offering my point that only one side compromises more... Be argued the right compromises to much and that why we're in the social decay we are
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Those wanting an abortion can go to Virginia. They still chop up plenty of kids up there I think.
 
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#64
#64
luthervol said:
I'll ask you. Would we have been better off had we never formed a US government?
Would we be better off if we completely elliminated it now?
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No, you have to have at least some form of a national government. We would be better off if 90 percent of the Federal government was eliminated right now. The government is too bloated and powerful.
 
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#70
#70
clarksvol00 said:
I think between you and Norris, you just proved my point about VN posters' willingness to compromise.
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That makes no sense.... I'm all for compromise to a point... What the abortion policy on CA??? Up till birth correct??? Is that compromise
 
#74
#74
rekinhavoc said:
Why trust two parties that can't compromise on anything? Every bill has a poison pill. Everyone promises the world and blames the other side damn well knowing it was never going to fly.
It is a game to them. Lords and ladies playing the Game of Thrones. Everyone else is a peasant.
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/thread
 
#75
#75
LouderVol said:
power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. It is literally what the FF were having to fight against, they understood it very well that a deeply established government ruled its people, and not the other way around.

we are there. you are presenting a false dichotomy as if it can only be what we currently have, or nothing at all. Its a very common tactic of yours, and at this point it is clearly intellectual dishonesty on your part to continue to present those as the two options.

we can/should tone back the federal government, and its largely should be focused on the agencies, and not the branches. We don't/shouldn't be lawless but we do need to be less-lawed. at this point the government is creating the divisions and the problems we are seeing in the nation. And it is 100% both sides, neither side is any better than the other. One side might be better on one particular item, but overall they are both the same.
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I'm not presenting anything other than the concept of................
The only worse than government is its absence.
 
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