Dobbs has gotten FREAKIN HUGE

[k-town_king]

Let's face it, neither one of them managed the game or took care of the ball very well for the most part last season. There were 17 SEC QBs that attempted at least 120 passes last year (Dobbs was at 121 so I chose that as the cutoff). Worley ranked #16 in INT percentage and Dobbs #17. They were #15 and #16 in YPA. In short, they were both atrocious last year and give us little chance this year unless they have improved by leaps and bounds.

Difference is one was a true freshman playing all SEC teams including three top ten teams. One was a Jr who got most of his stats against non-BCS teams. The fr will improve and he played the toughest teams. The Jr is probably maxed out and couldn't even pad his stats against WKU, USA and AP.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

Im just going to leave it at this...

Dobbs vs Vandy:
11/19 - 53 yards - 2.8 avg - 0 Tds - 2 ints

Worley vs USC:
19/34 - 179 yards - 9.4 avg - 1 td - 0 ints


Flame away Dobbs lovers. ..the stats don't lie.

You're right stats don't lie.
Tennessee Passing vs Alabama
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
J. Worley 8/15 120 8.0 0 2 8.3
J. Dobbs 5/12 75 6.3 0 0 51.1
-. Team 0/1 0 0.0 0 0
Team 13/28 195 7.0 0 2 -

While not that impressive Dobbs was able to lead us to two scores something Worley was unable to do.

Edit: left out that Dobbs also didn't throw any ints in that game. Something else Worley beat him at in that game.

Again I say this not to say Dobbs is better, just that Worley is not easily the best out of the group.

Worley lovers flame away.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Everything right now is just speculation and hope as far as fan's opinions go. In typical VN fashion people have made their choice on who is going to start and it's all become a matter of being right and being able to crow later on that they were right and others were idiots. I don't care what name is on the back of the starters jersey as long as they can get the job done. I am more concerned that this debate could still be raging two weeks prior to the first game. If it is, we are in real trouble.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

No no...... K-Town is 100% correct. Without Worley, we lose that game.

Any attempt to dispute that is just grasping at straws.

Based on what? Any attempt to say North didn't win that game and without him we still win is grasping at straws.

Without Worley we may or may not win.
Without North we lose, end of argument.

 

[Smokefatty]

Difference is one was a true freshman playing all SEC teams including three top ten teams. One was a Jr who got most of his stats against non-BCS teams. The fr will improve and he played the toughest teams. The Jr is probably maxed out and couldn't even pad his stats against WKU, USA and AP.

I agree. That's why it has to be either Dobbs or Ferguson. Worley was bottom of the barrel in the SEC last year as a Junior. Might as well let one of the guys with time to improve get the shot next year.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

You're right stats don't lie.
Tennessee Passing vs Alabama
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
J. Worley 8/15 120 8.0 0 2 8.3
J. Dobbs 5/12 75 6.3 0 0 51.1
-. Team 0/1 0 0.0 0 0
Team 13/28 195 7.0 0 2 -

While not that impressive Dobbs was able to lead us to two scores something Worley was unable to do.

Edit: left out that Dobbs also didn't throw any ints in that game. Something else Worley beat him at in that game.

Again I say this not to say Dobbs is better, just that Worley is not easily the best out of the group.

Worley lovers flame away.

Lol Worley was playing that game with a broken thumb....and still had more completions than Dobbs

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

Lol Worley was playing that game with a broken thumb.

Lol Worley wasn't injured the whole time he played. He threw one pick before he broke his thumb.

In the stats you threw out you left out that in the vandy game North got injured early and it was also reported that Dobbs might have had some type of hand injury as well.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Lol he threw one pick before he broke his thumb. In the stats you threw out you left out that in the vandy game North got injured early and it was also reported that Dobbs might have had some type of hand injury as well.

Wrong again. He hurt his thumb initially in the USC game.

So one freshman WR gets injured and Dobbs cant throw more than 2 yards a throw? Yeah, I'm sure that's why he struggled. And I haven't read anytjing about him being injured...

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

Wrong again. He hurt his thumb initially in the USC game.

So one freshman WR gets injured and Dobbs cant throw more than 2 yards a throw? Yeah, I'm sure that's why he struggled. And I haven't read anytjing about him being injured...

Worley still threw one pick before he was pulled after re-injuring his thumb. And was unable to lead to any points.

What happens in the USCe game that you use as the basis of your argument if one freshman WR goes out early with an injury?

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Worley still threw one pick before he was pulled after re-injuring his thumb. And was unable to lead to any points.

What happens in the USCe game that you use as the basis of your argument if one freshman WR goes out early with an injury?

Impossible to say. We probably lose. But I would be very willing to bet that if Worley had played against Vandy without North that he would have amassed more than 50 passing yards.

And yes he threw a pick before he was pulled, but his thumb was hurt before the game even started.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Im just going to leave it at this...

Dobbs vs Vandy:
11/19 - 53 yards - 2.8 avg - 0 Tds - 2 ints

Worley vs USC:
19/34 - 179 yards - 9.4 avg - 1 td - 0 ints


Flame away Dobbs lovers. ..the stats don't lie.

yes, without North, without a TE, without counting the winning td that was brought back, with a bum rt leg and a busted thumb on a frigid night, a true freshman qb, who couldn't grip the ball while trying to throw to Jacob carter had a bad evening.

have you watched any other football? Go down a stat sheet of a pro qb and pick one each week that has a bad game.

I'm not saying who should start or who should but I don't know that you are seeing all you need to see when watching the game.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

Impossible to say. We probably lose. But I would be very willing to bet that if Worley had played against Vandy without North that he would have amassed more than 50 passing yards.

And yes he threw a pick before he was pulled, but his thumb was hurt before the game even started.

I think this is what really irks the pro-Worley anti-Dobbs crowd. 50 yards throwing. And IIRC didn't he get over half of those on the final drive?

50 yards..... and his stats for that game would have probably doubled if passes to the other team counted as completions.

I hate saying this because it's harsh, and it makes me hope Dobbs doesn't read this board, but I'm sorry guys, Dobbs lost the Vandy game for us. How many snaps hit him right in the face? How many picks did he throw? He played like a scared puppy that game. He spent a good portion of that game playing against a VANDEBILT...... 2ND STRING...... secondary.
Worley would have been having fun toying with that secondary by the end of the game.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

yes, without North, without a TE, without counting the winning td that was brought back, with a bum rt leg and a busted thumb on a frigid night, a true freshman qb, who couldn't grip the ball while trying to throw to Jacob carter had a bad evening.

have you watched any other football? Go down a stat sheet of a pro qb and pick one each week that has a bad game.

I'm not saying who should start or who should but I don't know that you are seeing all you need to see when watching the game.

He had a bad 5 games. Unless you want to say he played well against UK even though they were horrible and he still threw 2 picks.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

Impossible to say. We probably lose. But I would be very willing to bet that if Worley had played against Vandy without North that he would have amassed more than 50 passing yards.

And yes he threw a pick before he was pulled, but his thumb was hurt before the game even started.

Whether Worley would've preformed better without North or not is all hypothetical though. It's the same as me saying that if Dobbs had started vs USCe and made plays with his legs, which has shown he can do, it would open up more deep plays because the safeties would be playing closure to the LOS.

We do know that without North game saving receptions we lose that game.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Whether Worley would've preformed better without North or not is all hypothetical though. It's the same as me saying that if Dobbs had started vs USCe and made plays with his legs, which has shown he can do, it would open up more deep plays because the safeties would be playing closure to the LOS.

We do know that without North game saving receptions we lose that game.

Yeah cause Dobbs legs opened up so many deep threats in the other games he played...

 

[dd4vols]

Some claim that Whirlybird Worley will be our captain. That could prove true.
Some insist the true heir apparent is Rifleman Riley.
That could prove true.
But I know the officer of our offense will be none other than the Dobb Goblin.

got an early start on Happy Hour I see....:toast:

 

[perico]

...and people forget he beat USC. Say what you want about Norths catch but Worley still had to manage the game and not turn the ball over.

To play devil's advocate, Worley has had 3 years of college football under his belt. Dobbs was a true freshman. The experience and the slowing down of the game is a huge mental advantage.

Not saying that Dobbs is a better qb right now, but to act as though the kid will be nothing but a clipboard holder for the rest of his career because he wasn't great against 4 consecutive ranked opponents in his first action without a break is a bit over the top.

 

[perico]

And remember how atrocious Worley was in his starts his freshman year for an injured Bray? Dobbs will improve, regardless of who starts next year.

 

[AV_12]

And remember how atrocious Worley was in his starts his freshman year for an injured Bray? Dobbs will improve, regardless of who starts next year.

Nevermind

 

[tennfever]

Just hope somebody pops up SEC quality

 

[k-town_king]

Impossible to say. We probably lose. But I would be very willing to bet that if Worley had played against Vandy without North that he would have amassed more than 50 passing yards.

And yes he threw a pick before he was pulled, but his thumb was hurt before the game even started.

I think this is what really irks the pro-Worley anti-Dobbs crowd. 50 yards throwing. And IIRC didn't he get over half of those on the final drive?

50 yards..... and his stats for that game would have probably doubled if passes to the other team counted as completions.

I hate saying this because it's harsh, and it makes me hope Dobbs doesn't read this board, but I'm sorry guys, Dobbs lost the Vandy game for us. How many snaps hit him right in the face? How many picks did he throw? He played like a scared puppy that game. He spent a good portion of that game playing against a VANDEBILT...... 2ND STRING...... secondary.
Worley would have been having fun toying with that secondary by the end of the game.

What would Worley have had against SC if he didn't have North? 77 yds on 16 of 31 for 4.8 ypc. Also most of his yards were on 2 bad passes North converted on the last drive. Worley was nothing without North. Our o would have been just as bad. With North against Bama and the Mizzou game our o looked way better than it did with Worley. Losing the only threat hurt Dobbs alot.

 

[KBVol]

It's true his stats weren't great but he played the toughest part of our schedule as well. Had Worley played his stats likely wouldn't be much better against those same teams.

Yep. Iirc, the score of the Bama game at half was 35-0, partially because Worley played very poorly in that first half, with 2 picks.

I for the most part was a Worley defender last year. He didn't play really well for the except in spots (2nd halfs vs Fla, Ga, SCar)but he didn't get much to any help from the WR corps except from North and Pig vs SCar and Georgia. Dobbs actually had a higher completion percentage throwing the ball, was within striking range of Worley's passing efficiency, and was much, much better running the ball. He also played much tougher competition (Bama, Mizzou and Auburn) than Worley did (Oregon, Florida, and SCar)..... as a true freshman, not a 3rd yr college QB.

 

[vols_fan_68]

uppercase "FREAKING HUGE" has me visualizing Dobbs head on Jared Lorenzons body.

 

[Volfan2012]

If his arm is a lot stronger like has been reported that is the most important improvement he could make. This is gonna be a great competition for the starting job. Glad we have four guys.

 

[thebjd]

I don't understand why anyone should trash a player on the team. If they are not great, our coaches gave them the offer and call the plays. I hope Worley is good enough to be the starter just for the sake of stability and development of the others.