Does anyone have an entitlement to advantage based on birth?

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hog88 said:
That isn't true. Voting is 100% a privilege and is not a right.
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For the left, there isn’t much that isn’t a right.

Healthcare
Abortion
Universal basic income

All you need is some old socialist to yell “Revolution” and “(insert desire here) is a human right!” And they all buy-in.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't think that it is, but not sure why that is the big question (especially relating to this thread)?
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it was a big question based a position that it is a natural right to live anywhere you want - if the right to own property is a natural right then there's a conflict
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why are you saying "again" when you didn't ask this question before? You asked what conversation Russia would have. I feel like I answered it by implying I don't give a **** about Russia.
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Have you read the thread title, or even the post you jumped in and quoted me on? He's wanting to know if we feel entitled being born here, and I'm asking him, you, whoever, if these other places have the entitlement he's fishing for, or if they just let people come in illegally and have the same rights. So, again, read the thread title, and instead of trying to just make it "white man bad for not liking illegal immigration", be fair. How would other places answer this same question? If you don't like what I'm asking him, don't butt in, that simple. But I know you can't resist to fight anyone who's not 200 percent open borders, but only in America though.
 
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volinbham said:
it was a big question based a position that it is a natural right to live anywhere you want - if the right to own property is a natural right then there's a conflict
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Of course, there is a conflict, and I am 100% fine with saying, "I bled for this, so you can't infringe on it." and I am not OK with saying, "I was born within this 4 million square mile boundary, and you can't exist here."

How far are people willing to go with their denial of natural rights?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Of course, there is a conflict, and I am 100% fine with saying, "I bled for this, so you can't infringe on it." and I am not OK with saying, "I was born within this 4 million square mile boundary, and you can't exist here."

How far are people willing to go with their denial of natural rights?
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well if we consider that those 4 million square miles are also made up of millions of bits of property with people who bled for there little piece and wantthe same infringement protection you do it starts to become a NIMBY issue. Not on my little piece but sure why not on that other guys'
 
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n_huffhines said:
Entry into the United States is an unnatural concept. It's in our nature to go wherever we want and let other people go wherever they want, just as long as they leave others' personal property alone. Government is used to deny these natural rights. We are using it to tell Juan Doe that he can't buy vacant property in Wyoming and live there. We are also telling John Doe he can't hire that guy and are eliminating him as a potential buyer of John Doe's property.

Now you can say, private property isn't natural and I don't disagree, but there is a world of difference between saying "You can't take what I have because I bled for it." and "You can't live within this 4 million square mile boundary because I was born in it."
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People should not be penned in. We agree there - freedom of movement must be observed.

I do not agree with your assertion that that means freedom of entry.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Entry into the United States is an unnatural concept. It's in our nature to go wherever we want and let other people go wherever they want, just as long as they leave others' personal property alone. Government is used to deny these natural rights. We are using it to tell Juan Doe that he can't buy vacant property in Wyoming and live there. We are also telling John Doe he can't hire that guy and are eliminating him as a potential buyer of John Doe's property.

Now you can say, private property isn't natural and I don't disagree, but there is a world of difference between saying "You can't take what I have because I bled for it." and "You can't live within this 4 million square mile boundary because I was born in it."
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And I expect it was not your intent - but there are a great many Americans (and quite a few posters on this board) that would take umbrage with the implication that the United States was not “bled for”.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I believe we should have a natural right to exist wherever we want to exist, just as long as it's not on somebody else's private property.

Citizenship is a construct and I don't think we have a natural right to that.
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It sounds like you have a dream. Anxious to hear you speech someday.
 
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volinbham said:
well if we consider that those 4 million square miles are also made up of millions of bits of property with people who bled for there little piece and wantthe same infringement protection you do it starts to become a NIMBY issue. Not on my little piece but sure why not on that other guys'
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Yeah, which is completely different. Instead of you deternining what is done with your land, the mob decides what is done with all land. #freedom
 
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85SugarVol said:
And I expect it was not your intent - but there are a great many Americans (and quite a few posters on this board) that would take umbrage with the implication that the United States was not “bled for”.
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Come on, man. This is ridiculous on multiple fronts.
 
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Why is it so outrageous to limit immigration, other than storing some perceived racial or religious prejudice. Up to the citizens and their vote and the ability of the nation to absorb these people.
I do not think anybody should allowed if they do not accept American values and principles. There is a reason these are on a citizenship test.
Take believers in Sharia law..this is counter to the USC and our rights, women rights, etc.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Of course, there is a conflict, and I am 100% fine with saying, "I bled for this, so you can't infringe on it." and I am not OK with saying, "I was born within this 4 million square mile boundary, and you can't exist here."

How far are people willing to go with their denial of natural rights?
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Lunacy at its finest
 
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"I don't know why we can't all just coexist as one human nation where everyone is treated fairly and equally with no borders and no poverty" that's about the intellectual extent of this discussion
 
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n_huffhines said:
Not your best work
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Yeah, it was pretty lame TBH. Honestly Huff the natural right to exist wherever we want is just not feasible all of the time. There are a just too many obstacles to overcome for many. Combine that with opportunities some people are born with, money, proximity to certain areas etc.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Yeah, it was pretty lame TBH. Honestly Huff the natural right to exist wherever we want is just not feasible all of the time. There are a just too many obstacles to overcome for many. Combine that with opportunities some people are born with, money, proximity to certain area etc.
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I agree that it doesn't trump all. We have to make hard choices sometimes in our system of government. I don't believe in a completely open border, but I also think it's completely unreasonable to continue to deny these rights to people at the level we're at for most of the reasons we are using.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I agree that it doesn't trump all. We have to make hard choices sometimes in our system of government. I don't believe in a completely open border, but I also think it's completely unreasonable to continue to deny these rights to people at the level we're at for most of the reasons we are using.
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So what you are actually saying is you support legal immigration where the country decides who enters and who doesn't, but you want the illegals here to pick crops?
 
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As long as you are articulate and bright and clean you are welcome to all of the available entitlement. Got to be nice-looking as well.
 
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