Does Dave Hart lose his job eventually if it is not Gruden?

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Boca Vol said:
You're correct. Gruden said there's no truth to the rumor and he's excited about MNF. He then apologized and said he likes what he's doing.
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No truth to a contract and Cleveland stock ownership does not equate to not interested in the job.
 
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bam15 said:
He also didn't expect a deluded fan base to be fabricating acceptance letters.
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Whether he expected it or not, he now has a rabid fan base that wants Jon Gruden or death.

If he can't give them what they want, he should have told them as soon as he knew.

He has basically backed himself into a corner where the only positive result for him is Gruden.
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
If no offer has been made, then Hart knows absolutely nothing about pr. Fans will be pissed off even if we hire a good coach like Patterson or Briles. Letting this rumor fester is colossal incompetence on his part.
Unless, of course, he is an evil Bama plant hellbent on crushing our hopes and dreams....
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Can't imagine that many people being upset by Patterson. He has succeeded continually with very little.
 
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He won't get fired if he doesn't hire Gruden unless the person he does hire is absolutely a lower-tier candidate that doesn't pan out quickly. If it isn't Gruden, it is gross negligence for Hart to wait two weeks before even interviewing potential coaches AND allowing these rumors to fester without any statement from the Athletic Department denying them.

If Hart truly waited two weeks before getting this coaching search off the ground AND winds up hiring a Smart, Strong, or someone in that vein, he WILL be replaced. He'd better pray his hire lights the world on fire in his first season, else Hart is gone.
 
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Boca Vol said:
We have 2 winners! You 2 would be perfect candidates for my first post.
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I really don't believe that Gruden will end up here.. that being said, judging by the transcripts I saw, he actually only denied the rumors of having a contract that involves partial ownership of the Browns from Haslam.. And then he went on to talk about how he liked his job and was looking forward to the next game.

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Gruden: No offer to coach Vols with Browns' stake - Yahoo! Sports

Found an article.. Pay attention to the last part of the first sentence.. Thats where I'm getting my interpretations of this.

Perhaps I'm wrong, that was just my interpretation of it. But like I said before, I don't think Gruden ends up at UT.
 
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I really believe the truth of the matter is that Tennessee is not going to hire someone worth recognition. Here is my opinion:

1.) If I have to Google his name to find out that he coached at Louisiana-Tech or some other school that's not worth mentioning...He is not our guy

2.) If he has a current losing record at his school in the FBS then he is not our guy

3.) If he has a winning record at a d2 school....still not our guy
 
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Boca Vol said:
Gruden came out on Mike & Mike this morning and said he doesn't have a contract in hand and isn't interested. Did that slow anything down on here, no. You had people coming up with all sorts of hidden meaning, etc.

Gruden could come out and say, "I have no interest in being the head football coach at the University of Tennessee Volunteers, located in Knoxville, TN, whose colors are orange and white." and there would be some jerkoff that would still have hope because Gruden didn't mention the away jerseys have black trim.
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No he said there was no truth to having an offer to be part owner of the Browns. He had a perfect oppurtunity to squash any and all rumors and he went the total opposite direction with it. So did UT with their statement.
 
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Hart has let this carry on. I would think it is harmful to let this carry on as long as it has and not send out a release. This process has gone too far. If he doesn't hire Gruden, he will face a lot of backlash from the fanbase.
 
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howie87 said:
Who has anyone hired yet??? Kentucky got the wrong Stoops and Arkansas offered a coach they have no chance of getting... The sky is not falling, in the end it will be okay... Dave Hart should be fired if the coach is not top caliber, yes... But suggesting he should be fired because he can't get one particular person is crazy...
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Agreed, however; if her hires Golden or Butch Jones he should be fired immediately and taken to a hungarian prison to spend the rest of his life, barley fed enough just to keep him alive, his toe nails pulled out by the roots, his teeth all broken off with a ball ping hammer and roofing nails drivin in in place of them and made to eat a tough dry piece of raw cow hide.
 
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Personally, I think it permissible to fire Dave Hart on Saturday if he doesn't announce Gruden on Friday.

He has left himself with only two options - Gruden or EPIC FAIL.

GoBigOrangeVol has been solid in this thread.
 
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boomer0034 said:
I really believe the truth of the matter is that Tennessee is not going to hire someone worth recognition. Here is my opinion:

1.) If I have to Google his name to find out that he coached at Louisiana-Tech or some other school that's not worth mentioning...He is not our guy

2.) If he has a current losing record at his school in the FBS then he is not our guy

3.) If he has a winning record at a d2 school....still not our guy
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If all 3 are true, then hart has found our man. Going from "diamond in the rough" players to "diamond in the rough coach."
 
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Dave Hart's decision will ultimately decide the faith of UT football for the next decade. The impact of this hire on not only the university but the city of Knoxville cannot be overstated.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
letting the rumors go this far is grounds for his being fired for incompetence if he doesn't land Gruden.
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Good Lord Hart doesn't answer to people on Volnation. He laid out his plan for getting a new head coach at the Dooley press conference. Instead of listening to what the man actually making the hire "has" said most would rather jump on internet rumors started by 10th graders in Bean Station. Some of you people should be embarrassed.
 
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I am not of the belief that not hiring Gruden because of action or inaction on Gruden's part should be just cause for terminating Hart.

The Athletic Department and Dave Hart have handled the coaching search with discretion, dignity, and professionalism; it has been conducted in a way that preserves the good name of the University of Tennessee and the coaches that have been reached out to either officially or through back channels.

What we have on this board are an overwhelming amount of posters who, unsatisfied with the proper handling of the search, have fabricated their own reality - quite literally in some cases. It's just like Christmas and finding out that the puppy-size box doesn't actually contain a puppy, so you knock over the tree and spend four hours throwing a fit because you got your hopes up without Mom or Dad ever giving a hint to what was in the box.

Maybe we should fire some "fans" instead.
 
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Is it Hart's fault that Gruden cancelled the meeting??? Perhaps Gruden should've spoke out sooner about not being interested in the job to keep VN happy??
For all we know, Gruden has never indicated he wasn't interested until today...which I don't think we can pin on Hart.
 
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AshG said:
I am not of the belief that not hiring Gruden because of action or inaction on Gruden's part should be just cause for terminating Hart.

The Athletic Department and Dave Hart have handled the coaching search with discretion, dignity, and professionalism; it has been conducted in a way that preserves the good name of the University of Tennessee and the coaches that have been reached out to either officially or through back channels.

What we have on this board are an overwhelming amount of posters who, unsatisfied with the proper handling of the search, have fabricated their own reality - quite literally in some cases. It's just like Christmas and finding out that the puppy-size box doesn't actually contain a puppy, so you knock over the tree and spend four hours throwing a fit because you got your hopes up without Mom or Dad ever giving a hint to what was in the box.

Maybe we should fire some "fans" instead.
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Well said! Now get ready to be called a troll or some other stupid name, but you nailed it!
 
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Well, eventually we all lose our job if we are high enough on the ladder. Regarding not getting Gruden, no. It's not Gruden that will get him, it's if the next coach doesn't win within the next 3 years.
 
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AshG said:
I am not of the belief that not hiring Gruden because of action or inaction on Gruden's part should be just cause for terminating Hart.

The Athletic Department and Dave Hart have handled the coaching search with discretion, dignity, and professionalism; it has been conducted in a way that preserves the good name of the University of Tennessee and the coaches that have been reached out to either officially or through back channels.

What we have on this board are an overwhelming amount of posters who, unsatisfied with the proper handling of the search, have fabricated their own reality - quite literally in some cases. It's just like Christmas and finding out that the puppy-size box doesn't actually contain a puppy, so you knock over the tree and spend four hours throwing a fit because you got your hopes up without Mom or Dad ever giving a hint to what was in the box.

Maybe we should fire some "fans" instead.
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Internally this may be the greatest and most professional coaching search in history.

Externally it is a complete dumpster fire.

The AD has to be competent enough to manage both a professional coaching search - and also manage the outside perception.

What is going on outside the closed doors of the AD is a complete disaster - one Dave Hart may not ever recover from in the eyes of the fan base..... the same fan base that he may not have to answer to directly.... but the fan base buying season tickets based on the decision he makes will ultimately determine whether he keeps his job.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
Internally this may be the greatest and most professional coaching search in history.

Externally it is a complete dumpster fire.

The AD has to be competent enough to manage both a professional coaching search - and also manage the outside perception.

What is going on outside the closed doors of the AD is a complete disaster - one Dave Hart may not ever recover from in the eyes of the fan base..... the same fan base that he may not have to answer to directly.... but the fan base buying season tickets based on the decision he makes will ultimately determine whether he keeps his job.
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All coaching hires here will be complete dumpster fires externally when the entire Knoxville media makes up crap or gets their rumors from the message boards and report them as fact. No AD in the history of AD's is going to/or has ever issued a statement and deny every single pathetic rumor out there.
 
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Hart should lose his job if it is some third rate nobody he brings in, which i fully expect he will. See golden, strong.
He probably still expects all the big money boosters to send him truckloads of money to pay some clown $5,000,000 a year.
 
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