Does Kirby simply have Heupel figured out?

[Golfprovol]

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

I don't like it because it is not accurate. We have a player completing the assignment issue and not a coaching issue.

Perfect example below. Guy misses block on punter who makes tackle. He knows he misses it which is why he puts his hands on his helmet after. This isnt coaching, this isnt Kirby figuring anything out, it is an execution issue.

 

[camp_steveo]

UT needs to beef up the O-line a little more, and get another year or two of experience in the mean time. That's pretty much the difference at this point.

GBO

 

[SaintLouisVol]

We were never going to beat Georgia by stringing together 4-5 15-play drives ending in touchdowns - they're too good on defense. We had to have a few big plays in the passing game, either for touchdowns or setting up touchdowns. I don't recall us having many of those against Georgia in the four years Heupel's been here. Georgia shut that completely down in 2022 when our offense was gashing everyone else. I'm guessing we've had less than 10 and probably less than five pass completions of over 35-40 yards against Georgia in that time. Kirby appears to know exactly what to do against Heupel's offenses.

All offenses built like CJH's (and the others its built upon) are designed to create mismatches, force mental mistakes, and exploit indecision. Ga, under KS, is very smart, very disciplined and make quick, intentional decisions. They're very good at it, AND, they have the athleticism to not get beat straight up.

 

[sgtwebb1]

When the SEC wants a specific winner, they have a specific crew.

Georgia was not able to do anything on offense until the officials proved that they would not let Georgia screw up. All those scoring drives that our so called fans are congratulating Georgia on were sustained by referee intervention. Every one of them.

Correct.
The referees screwed UT out of getting UGA off the field at least a half dozen times.
Piss poor calling--their O Line is just downright dirty, and no calls on them for holding, illegal use of hands to the face, hell their left tackle TACKLED our D lineman several times, choked him at least twice that I saw when our guy was getting penetration...

 

[Loid]

I don't like it because it is not accurate. Wr have a player completing the assignment issue and not a coaching issue.

Perfect example below. Guy misses block on punter who makes tackle. He knows he misses it which is why he puts his hands on his helmet after. This isnt coaching, this isnt Kirby figuring anything out, it is an execution issue. View attachment 698750

So do you think the players completed the assignments well enough the whole first half, enough to score 17 pts, and then stopped completing those assignments in the 2nd half when we got blanked? You don't think that had anything to do with coaching adjustments at halftime? Or maybe it was the refs like others are saying.

 

[secking]

The offense played pretty well overall, imo. Particularly in the 1st half. But UGA was playing 2 deep safeties for most of the game, which basically takes the deep shot away. I feel like we should have stretched the sidelines a lot more with the running plays. Bama absolutely torched UGA on the outside. They didn't have an answer for it. And it opened up holes in other parts of the field. And sure enough, one of most productive runs of the game is where we pulled Campbell and ran it around the left side for a big gain.


Let's also understand it took Kirby 6 years to beat Bama and he's still only done it once in the 9 years he's been there, so UGA and Smart are not immune to what we're going through.

Good points and Heupel is known for using all 53 yards of the field (side to side).This year he has brought that inside with 2 TE. Heupel loves to stretch you as much as he can creating lanes not only for passing vs especially running. Much harder to defend the run spaced out and Heupel is great at creating space for WR bc most teams have to stack the box to stop the run (what Heupel breads his butter on).

Tn offense is best when running then taking deep shots so only Heupel knows why he’s bunched them up this year. My guess is this years personnel, he knows it more than you or I. Most teams have to load the box and that creates explosive pass plays which brings up Ga. One of the few who doesn’t need to stack the box thus eliminating the advantage UT has over most teams. Heupel has 4 offensive TDs in 4 years vs Smart. It’s just not a good matchup bc Ga has the personnel to matchup against the run and the depth to not wear out when UT runs no huddle. In the near future, Ga/Tn likely will not be played yearly. Depending on the CFP messing over SEC teams (Tn should be in), it will be every other year (unless SEC breaks off from NCAA.

 

[loservol]

It's bad that Butch and Dobbs could beat him, but in year 4, Heupel is nowhere close to being competitive aginst Kirby and Georgia. A wise coach will evaluate his stuff and players at the end of the season and say things aren't working as is. An unwise coach will say everything is okay and keep on the current path.

 

[volbound1700]

I have had more time to digest. Kirby makes greater adjustments coming into the game than Heupel. Kirby ran a very different offense against Tennessee (and defense). Other teams have done that.

Heupel has stuck with roughly the same offensive strategy and defensive strategy (with some tweaks) each season. Tennessee was an underdog in that game and needed to approach it with that underdog, nothing to lose mentality. To win games like this, Heupel and company probably need to throw something at Smart and Georgia that we haven't done all year long and treat it like we are the underdog with more risky plays and behavior.

 

[EZE]

Kirby has almost everyone figured out bc he has more talent than everyone else. I do believe we were the better team; I also believe we got out schemed. Really hard to beat that team; impossible to do it in Athens with that officiating crew.

Kirby out-talents nearly every team he plays.

And don’t kid yourself, his roster was rated significantly higher than our roster.

A coach can scheme his way to success on some plays, but the war is won in our conference by players winning one-on-one battles up front. Their fronts were better on both sides of the ball, and that was the key to the game. Nico sacked 5 times…Beck 0.

We are close, but we are not the better team…yet. However, we are on the right trajectory, and another recruiting class might get us there. Along with Nico maturing as a QB.

 

[Vol8188]

Y’all hunt for these grand narratives that don’t exist far too often

 

[Voltopia]

For all of the success that Heupel has had offensively, he just can't get over the hump vs Kirby. Until he beats them home or away, there will always be a question of whether or not we can be elite again. Kirby executed his gameplan same as 2022 and it worked. Not sure if he has Heupel figured out or if he just has the better athletes required to execute the plan. They don't get beat over the top very often.

Tennessee receivers got behind the coverage a few times in the UGA game, some wide open, but by then there were large men sitting on - or about to be sitting on - Nico. Line couldn't give him enough time - sometimes.

 

[OffTackleVol]

It's bad that Butch and Dobbs could beat him, but in year 4, Heupel is nowhere close to being competitive aginst Kirby and Georgia. A wise coach will evaluate his stuff and players at the end of the season and say things aren't working as is. An unwise coach will say everything is okay and keep on the current path.

ROTFLMAO.........

 

[EastTNVol6240]

Does Kirby know that his QB’s turnovers will be negated by the officials? If you can answer that with “yes”, then the answer to your question is “yes!”

Pretty sure not scoring for a whole half (again) lost that game, not officiating.

 

[Voltopia]

It's bad that Butch and Dobbs could beat him, but in year 4, Heupel is nowhere close to being competitive aginst Kirby and Georgia. A wise coach will evaluate his stuff and players at the end of the season and say things aren't working as is. An unwise coach will say everything is okay and keep on the current path.

Uh - Butch and Dobbs beat Kirby in Smart's first year at Georgia. After a 50 yard hail mary on the last play of the game, that came after Tennessee gave up a touchdown at what was the end of regulation.

If you think comparing that ridiculously lucky win with Heupel trying to rebuild Tennessee in the present says anything about the present program, that's ... that's a hot take if ever I've heard one.

 

[Golfprovol]

So do you think the players completed the assignments well enough the whole first half, enough to score 17 pts, and then stopped completing those assignments in the 2nd half when we got blanked? You don't think that had anything to do with coaching adjustments at halftime? Or maybe it was the refs like others are saying.

Even Peyton said teams DO NOT MAKE halftime adjustments that often. Yes, people were completing the assignment in the first half and not the second. Do you work out today and not tomorrow? Have you treated your wife great today and taken her for granted tomorrow? Is that her fault or yours?

 

[Teezy]

I do think Smart knows exactly how to stop Heupel’s offense. That same results in all four games. Also, the chances of Heupel winning a night SEC game on the road against good competition is a barrier he needs to eliminate.

But Georgia is to Heupel as Florida was to Fulmer at this point.

This was far from the same results. This was a one score game late in the fourth. Our run game was effective the entire night. This came down to our offense needing to finish drives (execution problem),reduce self inflicted errors, the refs, and a tough away game. Only thing I can critique scheme wise is defensive play calling. Should’ve been sending the house once we realized we couldn’t get to Beck with 4. But even then, that’s an easy thing say now. During the game it’s tough to completely throw away your game plan.

 

[Loid]

Even Peyton said teams DO NOT MAKE halftime adjustments that often. Yes, people were completing the assignment in the first half and not the second. Do you work out today and not tomorrow? Have you treated your wife great today and taken her for granted tomorrow? Is that her fault or yours?

 

[jwells]

Maybe, but we are 4th and 6 on their half with a good chance of converting. Then a false start.
We had several long drives peter out due to mistakes.

We need to figure us out.

Now Bobo? He's got our DC figured out.

 

[Rocky Top T]

Kirby doesn't try to be their best buddy, he chews that tail when he needs to. Yes, he has Heupel's number

 

[Golfprovol]

Maybe, but we are 4th and 6 on their half with a good chance of converting. Then a false start.
We had several long drives peter out due to mistakes.

We need to figure us out.

Now Bobo? He's got our DC figured out.

Exactly, player execution not coaching. Do people here think CJH teaches false starts?

 

[Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va]

Kirby Smart is 100-17 as a coach. He has the coaching skill and talented athletes to beat anybody in the league, and he does often.

This isn't a "Does Kirby has Heupel figured out" conversation. This is a "Is Kirby is going to emulate what Saban accomplished?" conversation. They guy is very talented. Heupel is in the boat with a bunch of other coaches trying to figure out how to beat him.

 

[Golfprovol]

“I don't think I ever made a halftime adjustment in my entire 18 year career,” Manning said during a recent appearance on the Monday night Manningcast with his brother Eli. “I think that's the biggest myth in football. You go in, use the restroom, eat a couple of oranges, and then head coach says 'Alright, let's go. '”Feb 8, 2024

Joke is on you

 

[tnmarktx]

A big part of what would’ve been Tennessee’s opportunity to beat uga was contingent on getting pressure on the qb. This did not happen. I don’t believe the reason we lost was the refs. However, when two teams are allowed to play very differently when it comes to defending wide receivers and blocking on the o line, it is very difficult to overcome. Especially when the talent level is close.

 

[sonofUT62]

First time they’ve played each other with even remotely similar talent and we took a one score game within 4 minutes. I’m from Atlanta and been to 13-14 games at Sanford and none of them were like that. Banks coached a much worse game than Heupel and the crowd was quiet while his unit was on the field.

 

[KTrain]

If by “figured out” you mean recruit enough 4* and 5* players to make sure that you’ve got more than they do, then sure. I’m sure Kirby has figured that out.

Now that I think about it, he probably learned that from Saban. “Nick, how do you do it?” I’m sure the answer shocked him.

Exactly, Kirby that lost to Butch Jones just bought better players like Saban. They are all good coaches the figuring out is to recruit and buy better players. Do you sometimes have some bust and get beat yeah. Its all about getting the best recruiters and being a good coach. Its more about the Jimmies & Joes than the coaches who are making more money. I mean we have a bunch of ppl on here that can out coach Heupel and other coaches to hear them tell what they would have done after the fact.