Does Kirby simply have Heupel figured out?

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adam.vol said:
TN has the biggest collection of vaginas in all of SEC sports. I wish I could comprehend the mindset that talks about everything that went wrong while ignoring anything that went right. Some of you boys would cower to a wet paper sack. I’d be surprised if there was one man sized testicle between the lot of you.

We went into the hedges, went up by 10, and forced turnovers that inexplicably got reversed by SEC officials. Our Vols had Kirby’s bulldogs so nervous that it took the worst officiating of the season to get them the win. If we had to play them over again, it would take another biased officiating crew to give Georgia the win.

We are not disadvantaged to Georgia in any way. The conference just wants to get 5 teams into the playoffs.
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What turnover are you referring to?
 
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GVF said:
Yeah. Didn't see GA O line being so great as to keep our line end Edge off Beck an entire game. Not one pressure throw. IMO, the entire key to this game (and I own saying so) was getting to Beck and make him question himself a little. If nothing else in their 2 losses and a few other games, he has proven to be shakeable and inaccurate when you get to him. If we had executed that on D, we had a good chance of winning. From my Friday posts. And we didn't get that.
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They are very talented (4 projected to be drafted next year) but we’re embarrassed at Ole Miss. It was not a good time to play them.
 
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Sarms58 said:
They are very talented (4 projected to be drafted next year) but we’re embarrassed at Ole Miss. It was not a good time to play them.
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Agreed. But, we did show we could run with them and force 3 punts to open their game. We had a view to a kill and didn't keep up with adjustments when they made them. I know there was enough to question the refs calls. But, have heard opinions in here go both ways on that. The two that stood out for me both led to things going GA's way, but personally that was it for me, and maybe I missed some other bad calls. I felt the 12 man call was bogus, as they subbed out, and typically you see the refs over the ball, but that time they backed away immediately and let GA roll. And from what I could tell on replay, the entire body except the one foot was clearly over the sideline. They ended up scoring on that when we had them 24 yards for a 1st down before that penalty. At the same time, why was he lollygagging off the field so blatantly. I felt like the coach should should have ripped his jersey off. He was barely moving and had plenty of time to get off the field and not even had that penalty in question.
 
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onevol74 said:
I do think Smart knows exactly how to stop Heupel’s offense. That same results in all four games. Also, the chances of Heupel winning a night SEC game on the road against good competition is a barrier he needs to eliminate.

But Georgia is to Heupel as Florida was to Fulmer at this point.
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The key to Kirby’s D is talent…he’s had 17 defensive players drafted in just the last 3 drafts.
 
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GVF said:
Agreed. But, we did show we could run with them and force 3 punts to open their game. We had a view to a kill and didn't keep up with adjustments when they made them. I know there was enough to question the refs calls. But, have heard opinions in here go both ways on that. The two that stood out for me both led to things going GA's way, but personally that was it for me, and maybe I missed some other bad calls. I felt the 12 man call was bogus, as they subbed out, and typically you see the refs over the ball, but that time they backed away immediately and let GA roll. They ended up scoring on that when we had them 24 yards for a 1st down before that penalty.
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Well, they did wait a few seconds but we did a slow walk off the field and got caught. We’ve done that to others teams over the last couple of years and I bet their have been complaints. I guess I’m in the minority in that I don’t think the refs caused us the game.
 
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Sarms58 said:
Well, they did wait a few seconds but we did a slow walk off the field and got caught. We’ve done that to others teams over the last couple of years and I bet their have been complaints. I guess I’m in the minority in that I don’t think the refs caused us the game.
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Personally, I don't think they did, but as I said maybe i missed seeing a few of the calls. In the grand scheme of things, the 12 man penatly was squarely on that defender, and he cost us that TD. Woke that drive back up gor GA when we had them still backpeddling at that point in the game. My gripe of on the refs on that call is consistency and past practice. The cause of it was 100% that player. That was not a slow walk. That was a blatant crawl sqaurely on him. I would have nutted up on him as a coach.

The face mask call in seeing replay was correctly called. But, it did cost us as well. Not refs fault.

Truthfully, those were the only two that stood out to me. Seems alot of complaints about holding not being called, but that's prob most games.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Kirby has almost everyone figured out bc he has more talent than everyone else. I do believe we were the better team; I also believe we got out schemed. Really hard to beat that team; impossible to do it in Athens with that officiating crew.
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Kirby walked into a job with roster loaded with talent....to his credit he has maintained and maybe upgraded level of talent....
CJH was not that fortunate and started no Sec level talent...
It's yr 4 and I say he hasn't gotten CJH figured out he has him out Talented top bottom roster... Go Vols¡!!!!!!!
 
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cbrown said:
We were never going to beat Georgia by stringing together 4-5 15-play drives ending in touchdowns - they're too good on defense. We had to have a few big plays in the passing game, either for touchdowns or setting up touchdowns. I don't recall us having many of those against Georgia in the four years Heupel's been here. Georgia shut that completely down in 2022 when our offense was gashing everyone else. I'm guessing we've had less than 10 and probably less than five pass completions of over 35-40 yards against Georgia in that time. Kirby appears to know exactly what to do against Heupel's offenses.
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He’s got recruiting figured out better than Heupel right now. Let’s not understate the talent gap and depth that remains between these two teams
 
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DaddyChad said:
Kirby has almost everyone figured out bc he has more talent than everyone else. I do believe we were the better team; I also believe we got out schemed. Really hard to beat that team; impossible to do it in Athens with that officiating crew.
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Kirby does recruit at an elite level but he also is an elite X's and O's coach when it comes to defense.
 
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Vol865 said:
Yeah it has nothing to do with talent. I'm sure them having better players has nothing to do with it
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Recruiting is certainly part of the process. They have better players because Kirby and his staff recruit better than we do. If Heupel expects to take the next step, he has to evaluate better, recruit better and develop better.
 
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ptgrbn said:
He’s got recruiting figured out better than Heupel right now. Let’s not understate the talent gap and depth that remains between these two teams
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No crap. Georgia has recruiting figured out over damn near every team in the country. Why? Bc the instate talent there is so great that they never have to go out of state if they don’t want to. Not taking anything away from Kirby on the recruiting trail or anything bc that’s a damn good recruiting staff, Heupel also has one of the best recruiting staffs in the country but he had a dumpster fire when he started here with ncaa sanctions hanging over us.
 
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cbrown said:
We were never going to beat Georgia by stringing together 4-5 15-play drives ending in touchdowns - they're too good on defense. We had to have a few big plays in the passing game, either for touchdowns or setting up touchdowns. I don't recall us having many of those against Georgia in the four years Heupel's been here. Georgia shut that completely down in 2022 when our offense was gashing everyone else. I'm guessing we've had less than 10 and probably less than five pass completions of over 35-40 yards against Georgia in that time. Kirby appears to know exactly what to do against Heupel's offenses.
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It’s a few different things. Kirby is a defensive head coach. He knows how to scheme it up. UGA recruits higher caliber players than we do and more importantly develops them to an elite level. Kirby is the best coach in the nation. Has Kirby figured Heupel out? We got out to a 10-0 lead and we’re tied at halftime. I don’t think he has figured us out. He just has better players and a better staff.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Recruiting is certainly part of the process. They have better players because Kirby and his staff recruit better than we do. If Heupel expects to take the next step, he has to evaluate better, recruit better and develop better.
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I know you’re sad butt is in the recruiting forum some as well. 😂 You’re not wrong but the gap is narrowing more than it has ever been with any coach in the past with Smart.
 
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kptvol1452 said:
Kirby walked into a job with roster loaded with talent....to his credit he has maintained and maybe upgraded level of talent....
CJH was not that fortunate and started no Sec level talent...
It's yr 4 and I say he hasn't gotten CJH figured out he has him out Talented top bottom roster... Go Vols¡!!!!!!!
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It comes down to recruiting and developing. But I don’t know how Heupel can recruit better in the SEC. I mean Bama, LSU, TAMU, UGA and TX all in the SEC. And if UF happens to get going, forget it. How is he supposed to put recruit those teams?
 
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Does Kirby simply have Heupel figured out?​

Funny you say that, cuz Spurrier had Fulmer figured out to the Nth degree. Phil was powerless, as is CJH to Kirby. Yes, you could sometimes legitimately lay part of the blame on talent on the field but, my two cents worth says that we match up fairly evenly to most SEC teams - as we did to GA the other night in Athens.
 
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Volador said:

Does Kirby simply have Heupel figured out?​

Funny you say that, cuz Spurrier had Fulmer figured out to the Nth degree. Phil was powerless, as is CJH to Kirby. Yes, you could sometimes legitimately lay part of the blame on talent on the field but, my two cents worth says that we match up fairly evenly to most SEC teams - as we did to GA the other night in Athens.
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Depends on where you're at. Seems home field means more now a days than ever. Is the talent level more even or are the mentalities different now. Probably a little bit of both. This is where having a elite coaching staff helps.
 
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Kirby and his staff made adjustments after the first half on both offense and defense. We seldom blitzed when we knew that their QB gets rattled when he is pressured. Results, ALMOST 400 YARDS PASSING AND 11 COMPLETIONS OUT OF 12 ATTEMPTS in the second half.
 
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cbrown said:
We were never going to beat Georgia by stringing together 4-5 15-play drives ending in touchdowns - they're too good on defense. We had to have a few big plays in the passing game, either for touchdowns or setting up touchdowns. I don't recall us having many of those against Georgia in the four years Heupel's been here. Georgia shut that completely down in 2022 when our offense was gashing everyone else. I'm guessing we've had less than 10 and probably less than five pass completions of over 35-40 yards against Georgia in that time. Kirby appears to know exactly what to do against Heupel's offenses.
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Looks like a lot of coaches have….
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
The world should be divided up into ref-bitchers and non ref bitchers…I am in the latter category as are most intelligent people…of course the refs did not cost us the game…good lord
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Yes. Of course. Enjoy getting your news from corporate media and I’ll keep doing my own research. Pat yourself on the back like a smart boy, while you’re at it.
 
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