Does Kirby simply have Heupel figured out?

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One challenge to add from my discussion with Georgia fans in Athens is that we were their biggest home games in both 2022 and 2024. Not just that but in the last 4-5 years.

Florida plays them in Jacksonville.

They haven't play a team like Alabama or Texas at Georgia.

The team was able to zero in on Tennessee in both seasons and Athens was the loudest it has been for both the 2022 Tennessee game and in 2024.
 
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cbrown said:
We were never going to beat Georgia by stringing together 4-5 15-play drives ending in touchdowns - they're too good on defense. We had to have a few big plays in the passing game, either for touchdowns or setting up touchdowns. I don't recall us having many of those against Georgia in the four years Heupel's been here. Georgia shut that completely down in 2022 when our offense was gashing everyone else. I'm guessing we've had less than 10 and probably less than five pass completions of over 35-40 yards against Georgia in that time. Kirby appears to know exactly what to do against Heupel's offenses.
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To answer, NO!!
 
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tnmarktx said:
A big part of what would’ve been Tennessee’s opportunity to beat uga was contingent on getting pressure on the qb. This did not happen. I don’t believe the reason we lost was the refs. However, when two teams are allowed to play very differently when it comes to defending wide receivers and blocking on the o line, it is very difficult to overcome. Especially when the talent level is close.
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Yes, I believe (and I watched all of the Ole Miss game) UGAs O-Line was a step slow off the snap all game long and on their heels letting the OM D just surge through. The crowd got to them, its that simple and they had a calm quiet crowd at Athens that was behind them. UT got some bad ref calls that kept UGA on the field but their O-Line was way more engaged at home. The refs played a role but it could have aided them in 14 points but who knows they may have still got the 1st downs on the next play, of course they would have gone for it on 4th down
 
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cbrown said:
Fair point. We've closed the talent gap some, but there's still a gap. As soon as you say another team has more talent the "stars aren't everything" posse comes out in force.

We have managed to open it up against Alabama tho, and I'd say that's a comparable talent gap to Georgia.
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It is but one was in Neyland where Heupel is almost unbeatable the other is in Athens where Georgia hasn’t lost at night in fifteen years.
 
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EZE said:
Kirby out-talents nearly every team he plays.

And don’t kid yourself, his roster was rated significantly higher than our roster.

A coach can scheme his way to success on some plays, but the war is won in our conference by players winning one-on-one battles up front. Their fronts were better on both sides of the ball, and that was the key to the game. Nico sacked 5 times…Beck 0.

We are close, but we are not the better team…yet. However, we are on the right trajectory, and another recruiting class might get us there. Along with Nico maturing as a QB.
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Yeah I was about to point out the difference in the trenches and that really is the only battle you have to focus on usually to know who is going to win this game. I felt like we had the better defense coming in but Georgia shored up a lot of issues on their Oline.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Pretty sure not scoring for a whole half (again) lost that game, not officiating.
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Scoring would have negated the officiating, sure. We could have held them under 20 like every other opponent if not for some really devastating and controversial calls. Would have had the ball more times, less pressure to score each drive, more rest for our defense, fewer chances for Beck to make things happen, etc.

Do people ever get tired of complaining that we’re not 2019 LSU?
 
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DaddyChad said:
Yeah I was about to point out the difference in the trenches and that really is the only battle you have to focus on usually to know who is going to win this game. I felt like we had the better defense coming in but Georgia shored up a lot of issues on their Oline.
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We were the recipients of a p!$$ed off UGA OL and it showed.
They got took to the woodshed by Ole Miss and they were out to prove to everyone they are better than that...and they did.
 
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adam.vol said:
Scoring would have negated the officiating, sure. We could have held them under 20 like every other opponent if not for some really devastating and controversial calls. Would have had the ball more times, less pressure, etc.
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Ehh of all games I didn’t think this one was that bad. By rules, the “pitch” was an incomplete pass although looking like a fumble. The facemask could have been a no call, but there was enough to call it. The one I thought was a little silly was the late call on the 12 men on the field. Although, we did have 12 on the field.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Yeah I was about to point out the difference in the trenches and that really is the only battle you have to focus on usually to know who is going to win this game. I felt like we had the better defense coming in but Georgia shored up a lot of issues on their Oline.
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One coaching decision for us also stands out. But I am not going to castigate Banks for it, because it made sense going into the game.

I think Banks felt like we would get pressure with minimal blitzing so he mainly pressured with the Front Four. I would have liked to see him switch that up after it was obvious that we weren’t getting pressure.

I also would’ve liked a bit more man coverage schemes mixed in. Our zone was not very good, but that had a lot to do with lack of pressure.

Unlike the other professional coaches on here, I am a rank amateur, and will not pretend that any of this would’ve made a difference.

Georgia is a good team that will contend for the title. We might very well do that too. This was only one game and it was in their house.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Ehh of all games I didn’t think this one was that bad. By rules, the “pitch” was an incomplete pass although looking like a fumble. The facemask could have been a no call, but there was enough to call it. The one I thought was a little silly was the late call on the 12 men on the field. Although, we did have 12 on the field.
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That receiver fumble is the one I can’t get over. Depending on the angle, the handoff/pitch looks different. They overruled the call on the field and I just don’t see it as a clear passing motion.

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I purposely have waited to post here or anywhere else. I don't like it for me or from a fan perspective. However, I hate it for the kids who have busted their tails all off season and throughout the season. Ga, was going to win that game..that was worse than Purdue a few years ago..Maybe Ga wins, maybe the Vols win .... We will never know, those horrendous calls drastically changed the momentum of the game...The machine got what they wanted...Ga and Bama in....I would love to see these teams play with nothing on the line when the kids were allowed to ball....that would have been fun....!
 
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EZE said:
One coaching decision for us also stands out. But I am not going to castigate Banks for it, because it made sense going into the game.

I think Banks felt like we would get pressure with minimal blitzing so he mainly pressured with the Front Four. I would have liked to see him switch that up after it was obvious that we weren’t getting pressure.

I also would’ve liked a bit more man coverage schemes mixed in. Our zone was not very good, but that had a lot to do with lack of pressure.

Unlike the other professional coaches on here, I am a rank amateur, and will not pretend that any of this would’ve made a difference.

Georgia is a good team that will contend for the title. We might very well do that too. This was only one game and it was in their house.
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Yes. Had no issue with that gameplan at the beginning. No idea why we didn’t adjust after halftime. I think it was going to be almost impossible to beat them in Athens regardless. I definitely would’ve liked to see how Beck did under pressure though.
 
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adam.vol said:
That receiver fumble is the one I can’t get over. Depending on the angle, the handoff/pitch looks different. They overruled the call on the field and I just don’t see it as a clear passing motion.

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The one was definitely a forward pass. The other though. How do you review that 12 man on the field and not at least review that? I guess the lesson is you’ve got to hope you have home field and throw trash on the field if you don’t get your way on the field. At least that seems to be the lesson the conference is trying to teach us.
 
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If you look at the past 5 seasons when Georgia began to dominate in recruiting and winning NC's along with Bama, this year they looked as beatable as they have in a long while and they still managed to beat us. Bama was beating the brakes of them weeks ago but they came out after halftime and almost won that game. I think it's a testament to how Kirby makes adjustments at half time and our coaches don't
 
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Voltopia said:
If by “figured out” you mean recruit enough 4* and 5* players to make sure that you’ve got more than they do, then sure. I’m sure Kirby has figured that out.

Now that I think about it, he probably learned that from Saban. “Nick, how do you do it?” I’m sure the answer shocked him.
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Watching Kirby post game field interview, you just knew that he knew he walked away with a gimmie. Never seen him so humble in a post game.
 
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volfeeva said:
If you look at the past 5 seasons when Georgia began to dominate in recruiting and winning NC's along with Bama, this year they looked as beatable as they have in a long while and they still managed to beat us. Bama was beating the brakes of them weeks ago but they came out after halftime and almost won that game. I think it's a testament to how Kirby makes adjustments at half time and our coaches don't
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GA is very good at adjustments. Not just this game.
 
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KTrain said:
Yes, I believe (and I watched all of the Ole Miss game) UGAs O-Line was a step slow off the snap all game long and on their heels letting the OM D just surge through. The crowd got to them, its that simple and they had a calm quiet crowd at Athens that was behind them. UT got some bad ref calls that kept UGA on the field but their O-Line was way more engaged at home. The refs played a role but it could have aided them in 14 points but who knows they may have still got the 1st downs on the next play, of course they would have gone for it on 4th down
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The real question is, was Tennessee’s o line allowed to “hold” at the same level Georgia’s was? As long as the game is called equal, there’s no issue. From what I’ve gathered from people that have access to the film, that wasn’t really the case.
 
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Gandalf said:
For the life of me, I dont understand, especially once we got up by 10 why we didnt just pin our ears back and send the house over and over again against Beck. If he tosses downfield so be it but once we hit him a couple of times I guarantee you he would get jittery and the entire dynamic changes once he starts looking for pressure instead of downfield.
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Yeah. Didn't see GA O line being so great as to keep our line end Edge off Beck an entire game. Not one pressure throw. IMO, the entire key to this game (and I own saying so) was getting to Beck and make him question himself a little. If nothing else in their 2 losses and a few other games, he has proven to be shakeable and inaccurate when you get to him. If we had executed that on D, we had a good chance of winning. From my Friday posts. And we didn't get that.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Kirby has almost everyone figured out bc he has more talent than everyone else. I do believe we were the better team; I also believe we got out schemed. Really hard to beat that team; impossible to do it in Athens with that officiating crew.
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I agree. In the four years before Heupel came to Tennessee Kirby’s Georgia teams we 44-9. During Heupel’s tenure at Tennessee Kirby’s teams have gone 50-4. The reality is that he has assembled a machine that crews up pretty much everyone not named Alabama. They have won two national championships during Heupel’s tenure at Tennessee.

I’m hoping we can get Georgia level talent because it’s tough playing a team with superior talent at just about every position (not to even mention the depth advantage). We have alot of OL exhausting their last year of eligibility this year yet none of they are projected to be drafted. Georgia has 4 OL projected to be drafted. It’s that way at most positions
 
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Kirby has lost 13 games over the last 8 seasons. I'd say he has lots of people "figured out," not just Heupel. The only other coach he's had trouble with at UGA is Saban.

He takes the field with more talent than his opponent basically every game, and is good at getting his teams to execute, especially when it matters the most.
 
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