Does Springer make a difference?

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That five guard rotation we had going last night was really effective players are always fresh and effort is better when your not tired. I like the Fulkerson, Oke, and Pons three some as well. We need to get more out of Oke but he is gradually looking better the more playing time he gets. I don't know where this leaves Anosike but he has not been effective at all defensively of offensively and Oke has way more upside. Those eight look great going forward if we can keep them all healthy that rotation gives us the best chance to win.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Looked like James is comfortable coming off the bench. Loved the starting lineup. Springer and Johnson need to start every game from this point forward
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If I were CRB, I’d use starting as a reward to those who grade out the highest in the last game. If he were to follow that technique, then James and his 11 rebounds are starting next game
 
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walkenvol said:
If I were CRB, I’d use starting as a reward to those who grade out the highest in the last game. If he were to follow that technique, then James and his 11 rebounds are starting next game
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I disagree. I believe some players are more comfortable coming off the bench. This may be true of James since he had one of the best games of his career last night
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
I disagree. I believe some players are more comfortable coming off the bench. This may be true of James since he had one of the best games of his career last night
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You may be right, but I took it as James didn’t like being out of the starting lineup and played with more aggression to prove he should be a starter - just my impression
 
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walkenvol said:
If I were CRB, I’d use starting as a reward to those who grade out the highest in the last game. If he were to follow that technique, then James and his 11 rebounds are starting next game
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I’d start:
Springer
Johnson
James
Pons
Fulkerson

I’m not sure why we’re so adamant about Vescovi starting. He’s not a PG. His best utility would be as a SG coming off the bench to hit 3s.
 
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GregAmsler said:
I’d start:
Springer
Johnson
James
Pons
Fulkerson

I’m not sure why we’re so adamant about Vescovi starting. He’s not a PG. His best utility would be as a SG coming off the bench to hit 3s.
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FWIW Vescovi had a team high +/- of +24 last night, so he’s obviously doing something right....your above lineup doesn’t bring much perimeter threat, I continue to start Vescovi and Springer with Pons and Fulk, that 5th spot can go to Keon/James or Bailey.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
IMO, no doubt about it. Defenses are attacking TN by pushing Fulkerson away from the basket and playing tight on the perimeter. Springer, more than any other player, would exploit that defensive philosophy.

Keon and JJJ should be taking advantage of those defenses as well. They should improve if it continues. Barnes said in the Missouri post game that he told JJJ and Pons to shoot the ball.

Vescovi can get around that type of pressure defense but hasn’t been able to do much near the basket.

Springer has the quickness to easily get into the paint and the ability to finish.

There’s a reason Springer is often mentioned as a lottery pick. He’s TN’s biggest threat on offense and it’s really not close. Bad offense breeds bad defense.
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Yes!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
FWIW Vescovi had a team high +/- of +24 last night, so he’s obviously doing something right....your above lineup doesn’t bring much perimeter threat, I continue to start Vescovi and Springer with Pons and Fulk, that 5th spot can go to Keon/James or Bailey.
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Vescovi also got away with some dumb passes that should have been turnovers. He’s been a turnover machine all year. When I saw he only had 1 TO last night, I was shocked. That number doesn’t reflect how sloppy he was with the ball. And I don’t see that changing.

As for permieter threat, a) like I said, that would be his utility coming off the bench and b) subbing in JJJ for Vescovi doesn’t reduce our perimeter threat. Vescovi hit 1 3 last night, JJJ hit 3.
 
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GregAmsler said:
I’d start:
Springer
Johnson
James
Pons
Fulkerson

I’m not sure why we’re so adamant about Vescovi starting. He’s not a PG. His best utility would be as a SG coming off the bench to hit 3s.
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James played one of his best games coming off the bench. Maybe he's more comfortable and thus aggressive in this role????
 
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GregAmsler said:
Vescovi also got away with some dumb passes that should have been turnovers. He’s been a turnover machine all year. When I saw he only had 1 TO last night, I was shocked. That number doesn’t reflect how sloppy he was with the ball. And I don’t see that changing.

As for permieter threat, a) like I said, that would be his utility coming off the bench and b) subbing in JJJ for Vescovi doesn’t reduce our perimeter threat. Vescovi hit 1 3 last night, JJJ hit 3.
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Facts are that Vescovi is averaging a TO every 16 minutes and he handles the ball a lot. That’s hardly being a turnover machine. Springer and Johnson turn the ball over at a considerably higher rate. JJJ has a very low TO rate.
 
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I suspect the starting 5 we saw against Kansas will remain the same for the rest of the year. With Nkamhoua, James and Bailey coming off the bench. One of the best offensive performances we have had in awhile. Now they just need to be consistent. If we are consistent shooting and play inside/out we are efficient, albeit not great offensively. If we handily beat Ole Miss, maybe we have turned a corner.

Clearly Springer changes everything for us offensively. While I doubt we will reach what I (admittedly drinking the punch), thought we would reach with this group....still a rock solid team, if we shoot well and hit our averages. With Springer, I still think we would have beaten Alabama and perhaps Missouri if he had been able to play. Florida was just ugly and we didn’t even look like we wanted to play.
 
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GregAmsler said:
Vescovi also got away with some dumb passes that should have been turnovers. He’s been a turnover machine all year. When I saw he only had 1 TO last night, I was shocked. That number doesn’t reflect how sloppy he was with the ball. And I don’t see that changing.

As for permieter threat, a) like I said, that would be his utility coming off the bench and b) subbing in JJJ for Vescovi doesn’t reduce our perimeter threat. Vescovi hit 1 3 last night, JJJ hit 3.
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Vescovi has the 2nd best a:to ratio on the team, guessing that shocks you too?

Huge difference between how teams guard James outside the line and Vescovi.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
James played one of his best games coming off the bench. Maybe he's more comfortable and thus aggressive in this role????
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Good point. As Barnes says, he’s not terribly concerned about starters, but minutes. The combination against KU worked. I do like Vescovi much more off the ball than on the ball (which I suspect is why we’re 0-3 without Springer), so as long as that continues, I’m less concerned about who’s starting.
 
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ORN's development is gonna be key. I think Fulky's thumb issues had really been bothering him the last few games, but even when 100% healthy, he's a much more effective player when he gets 25-30 minutes per game, not 32-35. ORN being able to come in and give us 10-15 quality minutes is huge, and if that trend continues, we're gonna be very dangerous come tournament time. Looks like Barnes has settled on an 8 man rotation (Vescovi/Johnson/Springer/Pons/Fulky/JJJ/ORN/Bailey), and Anosike, Uros, Ticket, and Pember are gonna be on the outside looking in unless the bigs and/or Pons get in major foul trouble. I still think Ticket can help this team in spots here and there, but there's just not enough minutes to go around.
 
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GregAmsler said:
Good point. As Barnes says, he’s not terribly concerned about starters, but minutes. The combination against KU worked. I do like Vescovi much more off the ball than on the ball (which I suspect is why we’re 0-3 without Springer), so as long as that continues, I’m less concerned about who’s starting.
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The continued under appreciation of SV continues to baffle me. CRB plays SV more than any other wings for a reason, but maybe the doubters have more bball intelligence than CRB
 
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walkenvol said:
The continued under appreciation of SV continues to baffle me. CRB plays SV more than any other wings for a reason, but maybe the doubters have more bball intelligence than CRB
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And we’ve reached the obligatory point in our message board conversation where we deploy ad hominem “Coach _____ knows more than you do about _______.”

Message boards are for discussing opinions. It doesn’t mean anyone thinks they know more about the sport than the coach. Or other posters, for that matter.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
IMO, no doubt about it. Defenses are attacking TN by pushing Fulkerson away from the basket and playing tight on the perimeter. Springer, more than any other player, would exploit that defensive philosophy.

Keon and JJJ should be taking advantage of those defenses as well. They should improve if it continues. Barnes said in the Missouri post game that he told JJJ and Pons to shoot the ball.

Vescovi can get around that type of pressure defense but hasn’t been able to do much near the basket.

Springer has the quickness to easily get into the paint and the ability to finish.

There’s a reason Springer is often mentioned as a lottery pick. He’s TN’s biggest threat on offense and it’s really not close. Bad offense breeds bad defense.
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thanks for making this clear. became quite obvious in alabama loss.
was lamenting his absence for quite a while.
he's quite a player. selfishly wish his year 2 will be in orange and white
 
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GregAmsler said:
And we’ve reached the obligatory point in our message board conversation where we deploy ad hominem “Coach _____ knows more than you do about _______.”

Message boards are for discussing opinions. It doesn’t mean anyone thinks they know more about the sport than the coach. Or other posters, for that matter.
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Again, you claim he’s a turnover machine yet has the teams second best a:to...it’s one of those things that people have in their heads now and when he does turn it over it sticks out.
 
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GregAmsler said:
And we’ve reached the obligatory point in our message board conversation where we deploy ad hominem “Coach _____ knows more than you do about _______.”

Message boards are for discussing opinions. It doesn’t mean anyone thinks they know more about the sport than the coach. Or other posters, for that matter.
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I guess when you attempt to have a reasonable discussion with facts and stats supporting your position and the other side only uses their eye test to support the opposing position, then using CRB’s judgment on the matter seems valid
 
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walkenvol said:
I guess when you attempt to have a reasonable discussion with facts and stats supporting your position and the other side only uses their eye test to support the opposing position, then using CRB’s judgment on the matter seems valid
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At what point did I argue with facts and stats or even attempt to refute them? Sometimes, people see an argument when the other side is simply discussing.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Again, you claim he’s a turnover machine yet has the teams second best a:to...it’s one of those things that people have in their heads now and when he does turn it over it sticks out.
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Again, that surprises me, given the number of times I’ve seen him make bad decisions or simply have his dribble swiped. But numbers are numbers. Can’t deny them. And yeah, perhaps it does stick out more now.

I still think he’s better off the ball. He seems to shoot better as a spot up guy and JS can penetrate and finish/distribute much better.
 
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