Does Springer make a difference?

#76
#76
walkenvol said:
Weak sauce argument. Under that logic he should get another assist every time he passes the ball to a teammate who’s in a scoring position but the teammate doesn’t complete the play. Stats and averages prove out with a large enough sample size. It’s always possible to find small sample sizes and claim they refute the overall averages. Take a statistics class as it’s a mathematical science proving my point
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You’re missing the point...that being that stats aren’t the end-all, be-all reflection of how a guy plays. And yes, you’re strengthening my point with your assist analogy. A guy can make a great pass that should be an assist but isn’t because...and this is crucial...that stat depends partly on what another player does. Same with turnovers. If I throw my opponent the ball and he simply deflects it out of bounds, I’ve still made a bad play. But it’s not a turnover in the stat book. So yea, actually watching the game and seeing the play matters in making an observation. You can’t just invalidate that observation with, “nope, stat book says no turnover, so not a bad play.”

Further, how would his turnovers “even out” over a large sample size? In what situation will he be credited with turnovers when he shouldn’t have been? Turnovers are a one way stat...you either commit them or you don’t. The ones Vescovi gets away with (and he’s gotten away with a bunch) simply never get counted as turnovers.

All of the people who are saying he’s a bad ball handler (for a PG) aren’t doing so out of hatred for the kid or some common arbitrary impression. It’s there. We watch the games and see what we see. Some of y’all wanna act like we’re all just making this up.
 
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#78
GregAmsler said:
It’s not his fault he’s having to play out of position. This team simply doesn’t have a true PG. so Barnes has to play him there.
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He can play Springer, Johnson, Bailey or James there..fact is Vescovi continues to get the most MPG of any of the guards, so he’s doing something right. I don’t disagree with you that he turns it over/almost turns it over more than I would like to see, however I think any of the other guards would be as bad if not worse if forced to play PG for 25-30mpg.
 
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#79
GregAmsler said:
You’re missing the point...that being that stats aren’t the end-all, be-all reflection of how a guy plays. And yes, you’re strengthening my point with your assist analogy. A guy can make a great pass that should be an assist but isn’t because...and this is crucial...that stat depends partly on what another player does. Same with turnovers. If I throw my opponent the ball and he simply deflects it out of bounds, I’ve still made a bad play. But it’s not a turnover in the stat book. So yea, actually watching the game and seeing the play matters in making an observation. You can’t just invalidate that observation with, “nope, stat book says no turnover, so not a bad play.”

Further, how would his turnovers “even out” over a large sample size? In what situation will he be credited with turnovers when he shouldn’t have been? Turnovers are a one way stat...you either commit them or you don’t. The ones Vescovi gets away with (and he’s gotten away with a bunch) simply never get counted as turnovers.

All of the people who are saying he’s a bad ball handler (for a PG) aren’t doing so out of hatred for the kid or some common arbitrary impression. It’s there. We watch the games and see what we see. Some of y’all wanna act like we’re all just making this up.
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Again, take a college statistics class. Unless the mathematics have changed since I took the class then the stats prove themselves out when using a large enough sample size. You’re not disagreeing with me, you’re disagreeing with proven science.

And yes, I do think (my impression not fact) some folks dislike the young man or feel that his international style of play is ineffective which leads to the regular SV bashing on this forum. But as BTO pointed out, the stats prove he’s a more effective player than many are willing to recognize and CRB obviously agrees.

Anyway, your mind is made up in spite of the data and this back and forth is boring reading for others so I’m done.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
He can play Springer, Johnson, Bailey or James there..fact is Vescovi continues to get the most MPG of any of the guards, so he’s doing something right. I don’t disagree with you that he turns it over/almost turns it over more than I would like to see, however I think any of the other guards would be as bad if not worse if forced to play PG for 25-30mpg.
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Vescovi takes too long bringing the ball across. I am sure it’s somewhat designed by Barnes to bleed the clock. Although to me at no point should Vescovi bring the ball down in press.
 
#82
#82
I would say he makes a difference. He’s our best player since Allen Houston. Yes better than Lofton.

Crazy Barnes was actually starting Bailey over the two freshman at any point but glad we finally got the point where Springer is getting the touches he is.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Seems like a bunch of those turnovers last night were players getting stripped trying to get to the basket. Lots of dribbling in heavy traffic and being blindsided.
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That was the biggest part, but sometimes it’s just lack of awareness. Fulky had one of those as did Vescovi.
 
#87
#87
cncchris33 said:
Hot take of the day, right here.
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True though. Idk what Springer's pro career will look like. I'm sure he'll be fine but don't know if he will be an all star or anything. He's a little small and not an elite leaper. But he is the kind of player who would go down as one of the all time great SEC players if he had a 3 or 4 year career. (requisite disclaimer: he gone)
 
#88
#88
zjcvols said:
Maybe most talented would be the most correct word. Either way, I haven’t seen a better pure score at UT in 15 years watching them.
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As far as natural talent at a young age, I agree that he’s up there. Tobias Harris is, as well. I’d also put Yarbrough and Hopson up there despite the hate they get.
 
#89
#89
Tennessee has a great point guard.... unfortunately he will be here next year after Johnson and Springer have gone pro..
 
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AndyMizunogolfer said:
Vescovi takes too long bringing the ball across. I am sure it’s somewhat designed by Barnes to bleed the clock. Although to me at no point should Vescovi bring the ball down in press.
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Fact is, we are having problems Handel in the press, regardless of whom is bringing the ball up court. Too much dribbling and bad passes. I think they will get a lot of practice in handling the press before Saturday.
 
#91
#91
zjcvols said:
I would say he makes a difference. He’s our best player since Allen Houston. Yes better than Lofton.

Crazy Barnes was actually starting Bailey over the two freshman at any point but glad we finally got the point where Springer is getting the touches he is.
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The late start to the season probably had something to do with it
 
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