Does UT Compare with Stanford vs. Oregon?

[ImportedVoL]

I get it, but does that mean Vandy could beat Oregon? I mean they're in the SEC and play SEC style football?

Seriously guys, let's look at Stanford's past few seasons...

Year:W-L
2012:12-2
2011:11-2
2010:12-1

We are NOT Stanford. I'm not trying to be buzz killington, but seriously I just don't get this comparison.

What does Stanford's record over the past few years in a dried up conference that has 1 or 2 decent teams a year have to do with it?

All we have to do is keep Oregon away from the big home run plays and its over for them, despite what most think, Oregon has been within a couple spots of us in recruiting every year, at no point do they have the personnel to destroy us.

Everyones opinions on this game stem from comparing records over the past 3-4 years. Which have jack squat to do with what happens on the field.

and BTW, if we played in the pac our record would be three times better.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

What does Stanford's record over the past few years in a dried up conference that has 1 or 2 decent teams a year have to do with it?

All we have to do is keep Oregon away from the big home run plays and its over for them, despite what most think, Oregon has been within a couple spots of us in recruiting every year, at no point do they have the personnel to destroy us.

Everyones opinions on this game stem from comparing records over the past 3-4 years. Which have jack squat to do with what happens on the field.

and BTW, if we played in the pac our record would be three times better.

Oh silly me, you're right, what do wins and losses have to do with comparing two teams

Really though, it's about the individual and his development and fit in the coaching scheme in place. Their players are more developed and their scheme is finely tuned. Their record speaks to these facts. Our record over the past few years speaks to our coaching and player development.

 

[YankeeVol]

I think it's interesting that UT and O have had nearly the same ranked recruiting classes over the last 4 years. We should both putting the same talent on the field but that isn't the case. We have had some serious turnover in players either leaving early for the NFL or some other reason. They have a new year coach and so do we.

Coaching

 

[Air_Force_Vol27]

Oh silly me, you're right, what do wins and losses have to do with comparing two teams

Really though, it's about the individual and his development and fit in the coaching scheme in place. Their players are more developed and their scheme is finely tuned. Their record speaks to these facts. Our record over the past few years speaks to our coaching and player development.

Well now we have a coach who can coach and develop his players so our record under Dooley really doesn't matter.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

Well now we have a coach who can coach and develop his players so our record under Dooley really doesn't matter.

Yes, sadly it still does. Butch can't develop these players 3 years in one spring & summer. I expect these guys to improve dramatically, but Butch will really shine and start cranking out 10-11 win seasons, IMO, in 2015-2016.

 

[Air_Force_Vol27]

Yes, sadly it still does. Butch can't develop these players 3 years in one spring & summer. I expect these guys to improve dramatically, but Butch will really shine and start cranking out 10-11 win seasons, IMO, in 2015-2016.

The record on a coaching standpoint for both teams is mute because of coaching changes and thier new head coach is unproven as a head coach and ours is a proven winner and I think that gives us a major advantage.

 

[Biopsyman]

It shows what a great coach can do..

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Replay on EspnU Sat 6pm.
Stanford had RSFreshman QB, and a smaller and less experienced OLine than UT's 2013 line. Avg passing attack, and less speed on D relative to Oregon's O.
Cardinal handled the mighty and #2 ranked Ducks.
Guarantee Butch will watch.
Are we really 25-point underdogs to Oregon?

I love my Vols but your question is ridiculous. Stanford has been and is currently Solid University while we have been the University of Terrible. Hopefully, CBJ brings us back to the University of Terrific.

 

[nyc_vol]

Talent-wise, I think Tennessee matches up well with the Card, and I know Stanford, it being my alma mater if not my first love in college football. The difference is that Stanford plays great fundamental defense - meaning that they know their assignments cold and tackle well.

Even so, Oregon rolled them at The Farm in Luck's senior season, and the prior year was a similar story. The game last season was something of an anomaly. Stanford's defense last year was its best ever, and they played to their capability, if not above it.

To expect our defense to rebound to the extent necessary to stop Oregon at Oregon is delusional. If it happens, then we have definitive proof that Derek Dooley is the most incompetent head coach in the history of college football.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

The record on a coaching standpoint for both teams is mute because of coaching changes and thier new head coach is unproven as a head coach and ours is a proven winner and I think that gives us a major advantage.

Their new HC is new to the head coaching world but is certainly no stranger to Oregon football and the winning system they've had in place for years now. I expect there to be very few potholes in their transition period with the new head coach. Having players that know how to win and have been for years certainly helps.

We on the other hand have players who have either directly or indirectly (through upper classmen) been apart of a 3 year losing culture. I'm NOT saying coaching doesn't matter; quite the contrary. I'm just saying that Jones will very likely need time to get our players playing SEC caliber football.

 

[Air_Force_Vol27]

Their new HC is new to the head coaching world but is certainly no stranger to Oregon football and the winning system they've had in place for years now. I expect there to be very few potholes in their transition period with the new head coach. Having players that know how to win and have been for years certainly helps.

We on the other hand have players who have either directly or indirectly (through upper classmen) been apart of a 3 year losing culture. I'm NOT saying coaching doesn't matter; quite the contrary. I'm just saying that Jones will very likely need time to get our players playing SEC caliber football.

That I agree with but it's the losing culture we've had under an idiot that makes me think that with such a highly motivated and motivating coach will have our players playing at a high level early because they do't want to be on the bottom anymore and with Oregon it's going to come down to how well the HC transitions to being in control of the whole team and how he makes game time adjustments.

 

[xpsyclonex2002]

Autzen is very loud and a tough place to play. We won't have a lot of fans there, so we'll see how this team deals. I think we'll keep it closer than 25, but it will be a tough game.

The Ducks won big in Neyland 2010, because our players got discouraged and let them score at will. After the long lightning delays, and the Ducks coming back strong, we just seemed to deflate. Everyone wanted that game to be over. You could feel it in the air.

Either we win the game in a squeeker or we get blown out. If the same offence that they had shows up, it's a blow out. If they come out with injuries, team chemistry issues, or second rate coaching with poor play calling, we can win the squeeker. That last part about the poor play calling, I'm hanging my hat on that. Making the right call within their system is their key to success. If the new coach chokes on a handful of plays and causes some of their drives to stall, we can win this game.

 

[Nuctech777]

I get it, but does that mean Vandy could beat Oregon? I mean they're in the SEC and play SEC style football?

Seriously guys, let's look at Stanford's past few seasons...

Year:W-L
2012:12-2
2011:11-2
2010:12-1

We are NOT Stanford. I'm not trying to be buzz killington, but seriously I just don't get this comparison.

You might as well not even watch, Buzz. You already seem to know the outcome. Whats the point in even watching this year at all? OP, you are correct. Butch will be watching and taking notes. There is always a chance that we could pull it out. That is part of the fun in watching. Buzz Killington you are

 

[OrangeWayOfLife]

I still dont understand this theory we don't have any talent. Quit makin excuses and get behind the team. All this negativity is killing me.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

You might as well not even watch, Buzz. You already seem to know the outcome. Whats the point in even watching this year at all? OP, you are correct. Butch will be watching and taking notes. There is always a chance that we could pull it out. That is part of the fun in watching. Buzz Killington you are

Hope and expectations are two separate things. I watch every UT game down to the wire and hope for victory. The losing culture has gone on for so long now it's hard to expect different, I hate to say. I'm really hoping Butch turns it around because damn we need it.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Stanford has been far more successful in recent years than UT, I don't understand this comparison and why it continues to pop up. The only game on our schedule this year tougher than Oregon is Bama. No one's posting reasons why we're going to beat Bama, or Florida (better chance to win, IMO) I can't for the life of me understand why people truly think we're going to win at Autzen. I'm excited and want to see us compete, I'm pulling for the W, but if we lose I'm not going to be crushed. Oregon won more games last season than we have in the previous 2. That's EMBARRASSING

Harbaugh changed the culture of the program. Yes, they have gotten more talented since he first upset USC and Oregon. But he has outcoached them, when they clearly had more talent top to bottom than he had.

I'm not saying Butch can flip the program around in one season, but he has more talent (overall) at his disposal than Stanford had/has. It's all about getting the most out of what you have. Dooley did less with more.

Harbaugh and Stanford's current HC (forget his name...Shaw, is it?), have gotten more with less, and that is how they manage to be a thorn in both USC and Oregon's side every year. CBJ is that kind of coach, too. He had a lot less talent than Virginia Tech, Syracuse, and Pitt...and yet beat all three of them.

 

[BearCat204]

The record on a coaching standpoint for both teams is mute because of coaching changes and thier new head coach is unproven as a head coach and ours is a proven winner and I think that gives us a major advantage.

So are you saying that the record doesnt make a sound??

 

[TrueOrange]

So are you saying that the record doesnt make a sound??

Ha

 

[VOLorNuttin]

That I agree with but it's the losing culture we've had under an idiot that makes me think that with such a highly motivated and motivating coach will have our players playing at a high level early because they do't want to be on the bottom anymore and with Oregon it's going to come down to how well the HC transitions to being in control of the whole team and how he makes game time adjustments.

I certainly think we have a better chance than most people here think.

We were underdogs to Butch's Cincinnati team, in 2011. There is no doubt, they were a well coached team...BUT...we had an ace in the hole. We had a QB with an NFL arm and 2 big NFL receivers. They just could not handle that much size and talent at WR.

The Bearcats put a good scare in us early, and mounted a furious comeback attempt...so at least I know Butch's team does not quit. That is just the opposite of a Dooley coached team. Once we get down by a good opponent, we find a way to choke and cave in to the pressure. So, I'm not saying beating Cincinnati is the same as trying to beat Oregon, but I am saying that any team will have it's hands full trying to cover multiple BIG WR's.

I think our ace in the hole against Oregon is our OL and Massive group of WR's. If I'm Butch, I sic Croom, Harris, and North on Oregon's DB's and keep hitting them deep. They will try to compensate against the size mismatch with interference and holding (like they did against DaRick Rodgers last year when they played TTU), and when they don't our guys are good at jump balls and plucking it out of the air.

If we can keep hitting them with the deep ball and get some stops on defense, early....I think we can get on top of them and take em out of their element. We'll have to see.

 

[Air_Force_Vol27]

So are you saying that the record doesnt make a sound??

I'm saying from a coaching standpoint the previous head coaching records really don't matter because with new head coaches it will be extremly different more so for us than Oregon. But Oregon's coach is still unproven as a HC.

 

[Air_Force_Vol27]

I certainly think we have a better chance than most people here think.

We were underdogs to Butch's Cincinnati team, in 2011. There is no doubt, they were a well coached team...BUT...we had an ace in the hole. We had a QB with an NFL arm and 2 big NFL receivers. They just could not handle that much size and talent at WR.

The Bearcats put a good scare in us early, and mounted a furious comeback attempt...so at least I know Butch's team does not quit. That is just the opposite of a Dooley coached team. Once we get down by a good opponent, we find a way to choke and cave in to the pressure. So, I'm not saying beating Cincinnati is the same as trying to beat Oregon, but I am saying that any team will have it's hands full trying to cover multiple BIG WR's.

I think our ace in the hole against Oregon is our OL and Massive group of WR's. If I'm Butch, I sic Croom, Harris, and North on Oregon's DB's and keep hitting them deep. They will try to compensate against the size mismatch with interference and holding (like they did against DaRick Rodgers last year when they played TTU), and when they don't our guys are good at jump balls and plucking it out of the air.

If we can keep hitting them with the deep ball and get some stops on defense, early....I think we can get on top of them and take em out of their element. We'll have to see.

I agree and I also really like our O-line size to their D-line and our D-line to their O-line. If we win the war of the trenches the game will be close and with a better HC I think we pull out the win.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

Not saying we will win, just wanted to add something.

Oregons new head coach was their OC last year. Before he was the OC at Oregon, he was the OC at Colorado... and sucked. He's mainly been a QB coach his whole career, and hasn't coached down on the field in several years. He's never been in control before, and this could help us.

 

[Air_Force_Vol27]

Not saying we will win, just wanted to add something.

Oregons new head coach was their OC last year. Before he was the OC at Oregon, he was the OC at Colorado... and sucked. He's mainly been a QB coach his whole career, and hasn't coached down on the field in several years. He's never been in control before, and this could help us.

Thats what I tried to say.

 

[Air_Force_Vol27]

Also another reason why we win. Tennessee is 5-0 when I'm at the game and I will be at the Oregon game.

 

[daj2576]

Also another reason why we win. Tennessee is 5-0 when I'm at the game and I will be at the Oregon game.

Have you only gone to the spring games?