Does UT Compare with Stanford vs. Oregon?

#76
#76
BOP said:
Let's pretend your premiss that we have equal talent to Oregon is correct. Let's pretend that we have great talent and Dooley is just an awful coach. Let's pretend Sal was 100% percent of the reason we were one of the worst defenses ever last year.

Butch Jones is a good coach.

All that being said, his offense isn't in the same stratosphere as Chip Kelly's. Even if their new coach isn't near the play caller. Their players have been in this system for years. This will be our 2nd game. There is no logical way that we are in this game. None. We are completely outclassed.
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You got OUR OFFENSE IS AS GOOD AS OREGON'S THREE GAMES IN SYSTEM out of what I posted?...Let's pretend that there's this thing called reading comprehension.
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#77
#77
I think some of y'all are confused about what a good coach is capable of.

A good coach can turn a program around from a loser into a winner.

However, a good coach usually can not take a terrible team and turn them around in one season.

Very rarely does that happen.

In addition, along the same lines, I think people are beginning to overestimate butch jones abilities.

He is not god. He has coached teams that lost games. His average season is around 8-4.

He's more than likely like every other good coach. He needs quality talent with time in his system. He doesn't have either yet. What he has is quality talent in spots with no experience in his system. He doesn't even know yet what to expect from these guys in crucial situations.

I mean damn, no one is even sure who the starting 22 is yet and at some of the most crucial positions
 
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#78
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TheGreenCloaca said:
Judge for yourself:

Ifo Ekpre-Olomu Oregon sophmore highlights 2012 - YouTube

I do think UT will have some success early pounding the ball, but it goes without saying that field goals won't cut it.

With serious questions about QB play, and not tons of enthusiasm about your WRs, it just seems a bit of a stretch to me to think that UT is going to be throwing darts deep with any regularity.
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UT definitely will have success running the ball late too.
 
#79
#79
BigSteve09 said:
Did you guys not see our defense last year?

I want us to win just as much as any other Vols fan, but come on guys. They're going to use our speed and coverage lapses against us.

I'll consider it a success if we don't have another 2011 Arkansas punt return highlight to watch for the rest of the year.

Keeping their QB contained is hard enough. Add to that the Black Mamba, and their slew of speedy offensive weapons, and we've got a lot to worry about.

And that's just on defense.

It will be the first TRUE test for whatever QB we've settled on by then, our new receiving corps (WR and TE) (and Oregon's DBs aren't crap), our OL, and our RBs.

We'll have to play keep away, and play INCREDIBLY disciplined on defense. With a new coach, new coordinators, new starters, new schemes, new playbooks.

Guys, please check your expectations. Some of you are going to flip your you know what when they run the same play on us three different times for 80 yards a piece. I'll give us a shot on offense to keep them contained in the first half.

Second half, once they make their adjustments and see where our holes are... it's going to be tough.
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UT's starting D averages 4*+, including at least 2 1st rounders. Butch has never had such luxuries.
 
#85
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WiseOlVol said:
Replay on EspnU Sat 6pm.
Stanford had RSFreshman QB, and a smaller and less experienced OLine than UT's 2013 line. Avg passing attack, and less speed on D relative to Oregon's O.
Cardinal handled the mighty and #2 ranked Ducks.
Guarantee Butch will watch.
Are we really 25-point underdogs to Oregon?
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They've also been running the same system since Harbaugh and have developed a culture of winning, whereas we're on our fourth system in five years and need to relearn how be winners. I like your optimism, but the two situations are not comparable.
 
#87
#87
Butch is really doing what appears to be a phenomenal job so far. I was admittedly a doubter, but I am now impressed. I believe he is building a foundation for future success. To use his analogy we are rebuilding brick by brick to one day be the best. This build is just beginning and is not complete. I pray the vol hopeful does not put too much emphasis on this season. The wall we are building is not ready for the brutal schedule we have this season. Oregon has worked hard to be a great program. Their efforts have come to reality. It will take time, hard work, and excellent recruiting to do the same. Oregon wins this one, and our season is going to be tough. I do believe at the end of the season we will have attained new respect and see the winds of change at hand
 
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#88
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TheGreenCloaca said:
Ah, right. You'll have to pardon me -- just haven't yet gotten used to the idea that UT is equivalent to Stanford.
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UT has recruited better than Stanford since forever, including over the Vols' recent 5-year swoon. And UT's poor results are vs the SEC. If Stanford was in the SEC, Harbaugh would still be there, and if UT was in the PAC 12 Fulmer would still be here. Note, I'm not talking about UT beating Oregon, just the 25 point spread.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
I get it, but does that mean Vandy could beat Oregon? I mean they're in the SEC and play SEC style football?

Seriously guys, let's look at Stanford's past few seasons...

Year:W-L
2012:12-2
2011:11-2
2010:12-1

We are NOT Stanford. I'm not trying to be buzz killington, but seriously I just don't get this comparison.
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But but but we can beat Stanford!
 
#94
#94
Stanford was a 20 point underdog.
With tall receivers.
Turned the ball over 3 or 4 times
 
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#95
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TheGreenCloaca said:
Ah, right. You'll have to pardon me -- just haven't yet gotten used to the idea that UT is equivalent to Stanford.
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Stanford is not equivalent to UT. Not even close.

2012 marked the 1st time since the 1920s that Stanford won 8 games, 4 years in row.
 
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99gator said:
I think some of y'all are confused about what a good coach is capable of.

A good coach can turn a program around from a loser into a winner.

However, a good coach usually can not take a terrible team and turn them around in one season.

Very rarely does that happen.

In addition, along the same lines, I think people are beginning to overestimate butch jones abilities.

He is not god. He has coached teams that lost games. His average season is around 8-4.

He's more than likely like every other good coach. He needs quality talent with time in his system. He doesn't have either yet. What he has is quality talent in spots with no experience in his system. He doesn't even know yet what to expect from these guys in crucial situations.

I mean damn, no one is even sure who the starting 22 is yet and at some of the most crucial positions
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Yeah, but....he gets it :).

Still wanna beat the Ducks. Hate 'em as much as I hate the damn Gators (nothin' personal).
 
#97
#97
WiseOlVol said:
Stanford ran for 200 at 5.0 ypc, including late. And half of the D starters are gone.
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Half? No.

We're concerned about the loss of LBs Kiko Alonso and Michael Clay. Dion Jordan was a bigtime talent, but ultimately the leadership of the defense came from that LB tandem. And, if you count Dion, that means 3 of the starters. Not "half".
 
#99
#99
Oregon lost a close one last year because Chip Kelly was stubborn and didn't have Marcus throw the ball enough. We didn't have much of a power run threat last season, and Stanford was able to sell out against our running game and keep us from moving much of the contest. Still, they barely beat us. We'll remind them who runs the conference this year, like we did to USC this past season after they had edged us out at Autzen the year prior.
 
#100
#100
Mariota threw the ball 37 times, most he threw it all year. He could only manage 207 yards with those 37 passes. Oregon lost because the option run game was shut down by their standards. Stop the run, you will stop Oregon. Mariota can't beat you with his arm. The problem is TN will not stop them from running.
 
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