Donald Trump Is Putin's Man

[Vol8188]

No, it was proven. Fire Eye's CEO Kevin Mandia explained how.

“Likely”

 

[BowlBrother85]

Did you read the statement? If so where in it does it say Russia did it, I might have missed it since I was skimming looking for the word "Russia".

It says, "likely Russian in origin."

Determinations of foreign culpability concerning cyberattacks, from the agencies which comprise our intelligence community, are never going to be strongly worded declarations.

Kevin Mandia of Fire Eye has been more definitive and he is at liberty to explain how his conclusion was drawn.

The point to all of this is :

Even just given a 51% chance that Russia was responsible, Donald Trump had no business publicly announcing that Russia wasn't involved, in contradiction to what his own Secretary of State had just said. This was Trump, once again, publicly siding with Putin. Trump always sides with Putin whenever Russia is credibly accused of cyber crimes.

Why does he do that? It is a fair question.

 

[hog88]

It says, "likely Russia in origin."

Yep, I missed that. Thanks.

 

[Vol Main]

Lol. Looks like I was wrong. I see your obsession for Trump remains the same. Of course your dear leader and your man Joe is a complete failure so I guess you have nothing good to say about him.

What BB said. If you do not want to read about Trump's monkey shines, you might want to exercise your freedom to click on another subject -- instead of doing what Trumpsters so typically do -- that is to attack President Biden and the person posting about Trump, with some lame comment that isn't even half true.

 

[Vol Main]

Rent free….. in that empty skull

Cholly, I would really appreciate it you could please stop replying to me with comments which are silly and lame.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

What BB said. If you do not want to read about Trump's monkey shines, you might want to exercise your freedom to click on another subject -- instead of doing what Trumpsters so typically do -- that is to attack President Biden and the person posting about Trump, with some lame comment that isn't even half true.

Biden is on track to being the worst excuse for a POTUS ever. There can never be enough attacks of him or the idiots that put him there. Trump simply has triggered those same people with his meanie comments.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Cholly, I would really appreciate it you could please stop replying to me with comments which are silly and lame.

I’m sorry puss puss. I’ll try and do better

 

[DonjoVol]

What BB said. If you do not want to read about Trump's monkey shines, you might want to exercise your freedom to click on another subject -- instead of doing what Trumpsters so typically do -- that is to attack President Biden and the person posting about Trump, with some lame comment that isn't even half true.

Lol. I'll comment on whatever thread I want to comment on. It is hilarious when you democrats try and dictate what people can comment on.

You and BB85 choose to be obsessed with Trump because the dixiecrat you voted for is a complete and total disaster.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Biden is on track to being the worst excuse for a POTUS ever. There can never be enough attacks of him or the idiots that put him there. Trump simply has triggered those same people with his meanie comments.

Republicans / Conservatives / Trump supporters want to believe that concerns over the way Donald Trump conducted himself as the President of the United States only involved "mean tweets."

A logical explanation has never been presented for why Donald Trump was so eager to publicly side with Vladimir Putin's denials of Russian cyberattacks against American targets. Trump sided with Putin over the conclusions of his own Secretary of State and his own Attorney General.

In the process of doing so, Donald Trump did much more than simply pump the brakes on blaming Russia intelligence services for the SolarWinds hack. Trump went much further than saying that Americans should wait for more confirmable information to become available on the matter. Instead of being tactful, Trump immediately and emphatically denied any and all Russian involvement as soon as the SolarWinds hack was reported.

Donald Trump also dishonestly claimed that the SolarWinds hack had done a minimal amount of damage, and he further claimed that it's potential impact was being overblown by the liberal media. If he had taken even one briefing on the SolarWinds hack, then he had to know that these were lies.

Finally, Trump shifted the blame to China - which goes against your argument that Trump simply didn't want to publicly accuse a powerful adversary and unnecessarily escalate tensions. Trump was very willing to escalate tensions with China.

This was bizarre conduct coming from an American President. Stated simply, Donald Trump will come to Russia's defense when they are caught engaging in cyberattacks against the American government and American businesses.

If Donald Trump decides to run for President in 2024, the American people deserve an explanation for why that is the case. On the surface, it doesn't make any sense.

 

[BowlBrother85]

What BB said. If you do not want to read about Trump's monkey shines, you might want to exercise your freedom to click on another subject -- instead of doing what Trumpsters so typically do -- that is to attack President Biden and the person posting about Trump, with some lame comment that isn't even half true.

Something isn't right about Donald Trump's relationship with Putin/Russia.

Trump becomes very defensive at the prospect of Russia being caught conducting a cyberattack against American targets. He doesn't do this with China; just with Russia. Trump will even publicly side with Putin against members of his own administration, who have been very loyal to him. What has Putin done, to earn that level of trust and respect from an American President? It is bizarre.

The Republicans / Conservatives / Trump supporters who post to the politics forum of VolNation do not want to see the evidence that Donald Trump is sympathetic to Russia, but the evidence is there ... and it's plentiful.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Republicans / Conservatives / Trump supporters want to believe that concerns over the way Donald Trump conducted himself as the President of the United States only involved "mean tweets."

A logical explanation has never been presented for why Donald Trump was so eager to publicly side with Vladimir Putin's denials of Russian cyberattacks against American targets. Trump sided with Putin over the conclusions of his own Secretary of State and his own Attorney General.

In the process of doing so, Donald Trump did much more than simply pump the brakes on blaming Russia intelligence services for the SolarWinds hack. Trump went much further than saying that Americans should wait for more confirmable information to become available on the matter. Instead of being tactful, Trump immediately and emphatically denied any and all Russian involvement as soon as the SolarWinds hack was reported.

Donald Trump also dishonestly claimed that the SolarWinds hack had done a minimal amount of damage, and he further claimed that it's potential impact was being overblown by the liberal media. If he had taken even one briefing on the SolarWinds hack, then he had to know that these were lies.

Finally, Trump shifted the blame to China - which goes against your argument that Trump simply didn't want to publicly accuse a powerful adversary and unnecessarily escalate tensions. Trump was very willing to escalate tensions with China.

This was bizarre conduct coming from an American President. Stated simply, Donald Trump will come to Russia's defense when they are caught engaging in cyberattacks against the American government and American businesses.

If Donald Trump decides to run for President in 2024, the American people deserve an explanation for why that is the case. On the surface, it doesn't make any sense.

I guess you would be all giddy if he had called Putin a person of interest.

And **** the CCP. Those bastards can’t be blamed for enough - whether they are guilty or not. Thieves. Murderers. Human rights offenders. **** them!

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

And the Biden crime family are the ones guilty of treason. The Big Guy should be in jail with his son. Lock THEM up.

The DOJ’s M-A-L raid. The 1/6 “insurrection”. The impeachments. Hillary’s Steele dossier. What a bunch of bull ****.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I guess you would be all giddy if he had called Putin a person of interest.

And **** the CCP. Those bastards can’t be blamed for enough - whether they are guilty or not. Thieves. Murderers. Human rights offenders. **** them!

How about the President of the United States in December of 2020, doing literally anything other than publicly declaring that Russian intelligence services had no involvement in the SolarWinds hack and that the whole thing was being overblown by the liberal media, in order to make him look bad?

Those were both lies.

Whenever Russia was accused of a cyberattack against American targets, Donald Trump would take these 3 steps in order :

1) Downplay the incident itself as being an insignificant event, which caused a minimal amount of damage. Points are earned for remembering to call it a "nothing-burger", with more points to come if followed up with the common sneer of "That might even be an insult to nothing-burgers." Insist that the liberal media was overblowing it in order to make him look bad. Emphasize that he is the true victim, of an otherwise inconsequential matter.

2) Categorically deny any possibility of Russian-based involvement. Become angry and defensive whenever challenged on such a conclusion. At all times, take it personally whenever Russia is blamed for a cyberattack against American targets. This could only be happening because someone is trying to make HIM look bad. Once again, Donald Trump must be at the center of it all. HE is the true victim here, of political persecution, of course.

3) Blame China for conducting the attack, and then blame Democrats for letting it happen. Still more points are earned if this blame could somehow be linked to Barack Obama.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

How about the President of the United States in December of 2020, doing literally anything other than publicly declaring that Russian intelligence services had no involvement in the SolarWinds hack and that the whole thing was being overblown by the liberal media, in order to make him look bad?

Those were both lies.

Whenever Russia was accused of a cyberattack against American targets, Donald Trump would take these 3 steps in order :

1) Downplay the incident itself as being an insignificant event, which caused a minimal amount of damage. Points are earned for remembering to call it a "nothing-burger", with more points to come if followed up with the common sneer of "That might even be an insult to nothing-burgers." Insist that the liberal media was overblowing it in order to make him look bad. Emphasize that he is the true victim, of an otherwise inconsequential matter.

2) Categorically deny any possibility of Russian-based involvement. Become angry and defensive whenever challenged on such a conclusion. At all times, take it personally whenever Russia is blamed for a cyberattack against American targets. This could only be happening because someone is trying to make HIM look bad. Once again, Donald Trump must be at the center of it all. HE is the true victim here, of political persecution, of course.

3) Blame China for conducting the attack, and then blame Democrats for letting it happen. Still more points are earned if this blame could somehow be linked to Barack Obama.

How about he not give the off kilter leftists more Russia BS to escalate? You’re really upset that Trump didn’t prosecute Putin in the Leftist media (that had been attacking DT for about 5 years) using the word of the tech/social media, disinformation oligarch’s narrative. Around the exact same time that a year long breach had JUST BEEN discovered. You are REALLY bent that in December 2020 he didn’t simply say nothing has been proven. It still hadn’t been proven that the Russian GOVERNMENT was behind it. Two years later. Blaming China publicly could have been the strategy. They had just unleashed a pandemic on the world and lied about it. China is a real enemy. Unless your name is Biden. Russia was the Cousin Eddie with a nuke of problem nations.

Maybe if the FBI had paid attention instead of pursuing the baseless attacks they would have found the breach.

 

[BowlBrother85]

How about he not give the off kilter leftists more Russia BS to escalate?

It wasn't BS. Russian intelligence operatives really did imbed a trojan horse-style virus into a commonly-used SolarWinds platform called Orion, which was included as part of periodic software updates. This has had an enormous impact.

You’re really upset that Trump didn’t prosecute Putin in the Leftist media (that had been attacking DT for about 5 years) using the word of the tech/social media, disinformation oligarch’s narrative.

It didn't have to be one extreme or the other.

In other words, Donald Trump didn't have to blame Putin and Russia, but he didn't have to defend Putin and Russia either ... but he did, and that was done in the process of contradicting the conclusions of his own hand-picked Secretary of State and Attorney General.

It still hadn’t been proven that the Russian GOVERNMENT was behind it.

Look at the date on the joint statement from the NSA, CISA, the ODNI and the FBI concerning the SolarWinds hack. It was January 5, 2021. Donald Trump was still the President of the United States at the time.

The statement said that it was :

"likely Russian in origin."

Those agencies are not going to make full-throated declarations of guilt involving foreign acts of cyber-aggression. The language used in that joint statement is about as definitive as what you will ever get from them. That is our Intelligence Community's way of saying a lot, by saying very little.

Two years later. Blaming China publicly could have been the strategy. They had just unleashed a pandemic on the world and lied about it. China is a real enemy.

We have several enemies. Russia is definitely one of them. The President of the United States should not be publicly defending Russia when they stand credibly accused of a cyberattack against both the American government and American-based businesses.

Maybe if the FBI had paid attention instead of pursuing the baseless attacks they would have found the breach.

How were they supposed to do that?

You pretty much had to be looking for the malicious code that was injected into the SolarWinds Orion IT monitoring system in order to find it. I think it's been named "Sunburst" ... or something like that.

Somebody dropped the ball all right, but I don't think it was the FBI. I think Microsoft was asleep at the wheel.

 

[happy-go_vol]

We all know what yours is. My god you need help.

Gaiter main does need much help

 

[Majors]

Yep, I missed that. Thanks.

Might as well impeach based on the legal term “likely”

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

No, it was proven. Fire Eye's CEO Kevin Mandia explained how.

Wrong again

 

[BowlBrother85]

Might as well impeach based on the legal term “likely”

As I have said before, this issue concerns whether or not the President of the United States should have publicly sided with the denial of a Russian dictator.


If the Intelligence Community's assessment of Russia's involvement as being "likely" wasn't definitive enough for Trump, he had the option of avoiding comment until more evidence had been collected.

He didn't do that, however.

To the contrary, Trump emphatically stated that Russia wasn't involved, and he did so against the conclusions of the United States Intelligence Community and his own Secretary of State.

That is bizarre. What has Vladimir Putin ever done to deserve such a show of respect? If there was even just a 51% chance that Russia was involved - you don't publicly side with Vladimir Putin, when you are the President of the United States.

That makes no sense.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Wrong again

I've seen the interview. He has explained it.

 

[Majors]

As I have said before, this issue concerns whether or not the President of the United States should have publicly sided with the denial of a Russian dictator.

This is likely another wheel to get wrapped around. The wheel will likely keep spinning.

 

[BowlBrother85]

This is likely another wheel to get wrapped around. The wheel will likely keep spinning.

You are posting in a thread which basically alleges that Donald Trump is sympathetic to Vladimir Putin.

At least as it pertains to Russian acts of cyber-intrusion against American federal agencies and businesses, that allegation is not without merit.

Why did Donald Trump downplay the significance of the SolarWinds breach, and why did he announce that Russia wasn't involved when his Intelligence Community was saying that a group of Russian-origin "likely" was involved?

^^^ Those are some fair questions. ^^^

 

[Majors]

You are posting in a thread which basically alleges that Donald Trump is sympathetic to Vladimir Putin.

At least as it pertains to Russian acts of cyber-intrusion against American federal agencies and businesses, that allegation is not without merit.

Why did Donald Trump downplay the significance of the SolarWinds breach, and why did he announce that Russia wasn't involved when his Intelligence Community was saying that a group of Russian-origin "likely" was involved?

^^^ Those are some fair questions. ^^^

I likely see it a different way. How many "alleges" does it take for you to likely stop this mind game Trump is playing on you?

 

[BowlBrother85]

I likely see it a different way. How many "alleges" does it take for you to likely stop this mind game Trump is playing on you?

I love how you want to believe that Donald Trump is a 4D chess player. Trump has no such intellectual depth. He really is this simple-minded and corrupt. He makes the perfect "useful idiot."

 

[Majors]

I love how you want to believe that Donald Trump is a 4D chess player. Trump has no such intellectual depth. He really is this simple-minded and corrupt. He makes the perfect "useful idiot."

He likely called checkmate years ago based on the disruption of the status quo. To this day the opposing pawns still want to believe he'll be captured.