The Impeachment Thread

You would be better served to just stick to what was actually said. This was a "prior working relationship" with a prominent Democratic Party politician. It doesn't say anything about still "working", as in present tense. It's also very telling that the "whistleblower" volunteered this information. The Inspector General, Michael Atkinson, didn't have to dig for it. It sounds like this person is prepared to be accused of a bias, and is prepared to handle that accusation.

Also, as more and more of the "whistleblower's" claims are verified, this person's motive for lodging the complaint becomes less and less significant. Using a perceived bias to damage the credibility of a "whistleblower" will only work when the substance of what that person alleged, has not yet been proven. There comes a point when a person's credibility is no longer relevant, if what they are saying can be proven either true or false.

Once again, we already have the transcript of the July 25th phone call between Trump and Zelensky and combined with the Trump Administration's own admissions, it can be concluded that the following 3 allegations at the core of the "whistleblower's" complaint, have been proven true:

1) Donald Trump did request that the Ukrainian President Zelensky assist his personal attorney (not the Department of Justice), Rudy Giuliani, in an investigation of the Bidens during their July 25th phone call. The "whistleblower" must have had a source who was privy to the call. That wasn't a lucky guess.

2) Trump had placed a hold on hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid from the United States to the Ukraine, just a few days prior to the July 25th phone call with Zelensky. This was done even though these funds had already been approved by Congress. Trump's explanation for this hold has changed. At first, Trump claimed it was because he wanted European countries to share in the burden, but that wasn't credible because no other country even knew that the hold had been placed. So then, Trump changed his reason to concerns over Ukrainian corruption, which doesn't make any sense either, because members of the Trump Administration have done business with the Ukraine. The fact is, that to this day, no explanation as to why that military aid was placed on hold has been given, which makes any sense.

3) Finally, the "whistleblower" alleged in the complaint filed, that "The transcript of (the call) was loaded into a separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature." even though, there was no other classified "factual" material in the transcript that would justify a move to a more secure server.

These 3 core allegations made by the "whistleblower" have been either proven true by the July 25th transcript of the phone call between Trump and Zelensky, or through the Trump Administration's own admissions. These allegations weren't the result of conjecture. The "whistleblower" obviously had solid sources either close to the Trump Administration who were privy to the July 25th phone call or perhaps even within the Trump Administration itself. Trump is simply lying when he claims that the whistleblower complaint is fiction. The fact is, the whistleblower got almost everything right... and the core of the complaint is spot on.

Does motive or bias really matter? If what the person said has already been proven true? No.
I could see why they would want to get this info out slowly...he was an Obama holdover and many warned that he was a leaker but Trump put too much trust in McMaster and didn't listen.
 
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Uh, it's a joke, from a comedian. I don't think he's trying to convey news. You dig, or should I break out the crayons and draw you a picture?

You're the one that fell for it or you wouldn't have posted it.......joke's on you. Don't pass your stoopid ignorance my way.
 
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No it’s TDS from a wannabe comedian like the wannabe lawyers on volnation.
Saw the quotes from Ellen about sitting next to Bush Jr at the Cowboys game..I always liked her...shes funny and witty and seems like a decent person...then I read all the ppl saying how dare she sit next to a war criminal that bomb Iraqi children...I might be a little biased but the left seems far more hateful then the right imo both need to chill though
 
No it’s TDS from a wannabe comedian like the wannabe lawyers on volnation.
Once again, the "whistleblower's" complaint has proven to be very accurate on the 3 central allegations made. Whoever this is, wasn't just guessing. He/She had a source close to the Trump administration, or perhaps even within the Trump administration itself, who was privy to the July 25th phone call between Trump and Zelensky. Also, the attempts to discredit the "whistleblower" by portraying this person as being biased, are no longer relevant. The credibility and motive of a "whistleblower" are only of consequence up until their allegations have either been proven or disproven. We no longer have to take the "whistleblower's" word for anything. We have a transcript of the July 25th phone call, and some admissions from the Trump administration which verify the claims documented in the complaint.
 
Once again, the "whistleblower's" complaint has proven to be very accurate on the 3 central allegations made. Whoever this is, wasn't just guessing. He/She had a source close to the Trump administration, or perhaps even within the Trump administration itself, who was privy to the July 25th phone call between Trump and Zelensky. Also, the attempts to discredit the "whistleblower" by portraying this person as being biased, are no longer relevant. The credibility and motive of a "whistleblower" are only of consequence up until their allegations have either been proven or disproven. We no longer have to take the "whistleblower's" word for anything. We have a transcript of the July 25th phone call, and some admissions from the Trump administration which verify the claims documented in the complaint.

YGHN
 
Once again, the "whistleblower's" complaint has proven to be very accurate on the 3 central allegations made. Whoever this is, wasn't just guessing. He/She had a source close to the Trump administration, or perhaps even within the Trump administration itself, who was privy to the July 25th phone call between Trump and Zelensky. Also, the attempts to discredit the "whistleblower" by portraying this person as being biased, are no longer relevant. The credibility and motive of a "whistleblower" are only of consequence up until their allegations have either been proven or disproven. We no longer have to take the "whistleblower's" word for anything. We have a transcript of the July 25th phone call and some admissions from the Trump administration which verify the claims documented in the complaint.


IMPEACH TRUMP NOW!!!! What is the holdup?
 
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^^^^ When a Trump minion has nothing of substance to respond with... but just has to have the last word.

You’ve been screeching for almost 3 years about the same thing and nothing has happened. Apparently you’ve been adding “nothing of substance” the entire time. You’re just a TDS stricken lib minion I suppose.
 

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