Don't forget about Worley!!!

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Backwards K said:
Dobbs was behind Worley, Peterman, and Ferguson until those three were injured. Dobbs has made some athletic plays but I don't see how anyone can say he has been an accurate passer. He has struggled to see open receivers down field and he has not shown a knack for completing them when he does throw it down the field.

I hope he will be great but he has yet to prove he can handle the job at a high level of proficiency. But, to be fair, he was thrown in over his head against three very good teams.

Hope springs eternal for the next two weeks.
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The depth chart and Butch both said Dobbs was no 2 even before RF was hurt. He was coming in no matter if RF could play or not.
 
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Escape Goat said:
Absolutely agree. Dobbs makes me nervous. I knew what we had in Worley. You are right, Dobbs needs a few TD's against both teams. These aren't top 10 defenses from here on out.
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well hells bells and goat balls,Dobbs is shakey at best for a stater and Ferguson is an unknown,we know what Worley can do and what has happen to Petermen ?
 
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k-town_king said:
The depth chart and Butch both said Dobbs was no 2 even before RF was hurt. He was coming in no matter if RF could play or not.
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Some game this year, and it may have been when Worley hurt his thumb the first time, Jones had Ferguson warming up getting ready to enter the game. We called timeout, and they went to commercial break. When they came back, Worley was able to go back in. Also, Dobbs was not in the 3 qb travel squad that went to Oregon, and maybe Florida.

I believe that after Peterman got hurt, Dobbs and Ferguson were bracketed at second team on the depth chart. Dobbs' name was listed first due to alphabetical order, but both he and Ferguson were second team.
 
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UT_Dutchman said:
I was thinking the same thing, heck i would just like to see Dobbs have more td's than int's in a game. He has yet to even toss a td! I want the qb who puts us in the best position to win, I'm not hung on a name, or style, and do not care what they major in.
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You apparently aren't aware that the best quarterbacks were all aeronautical engineers in college.
 
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KBVol said:
So 67% completion rate over the 3 years with 70 tds and 13 picks isn't accurate?

Never mind, You're right, 37 starts, 35 of which they've won with him as the starter can really be boiled down to one half of football vs LSU this year. I love Peyton, but should we sum up his ability to play QB in the SEC based on the first half of the Florida game his junior year when he threw 4 picks and no tds? Peyton, I think you'll agree, had a great college career and is having a hall of fame NFL career. I have no idea if McCarron will do anything in the NFL, neither does anyone else. I haven't claimed he will, just that he's a very good QB at Bama.

I understand its just your opinion. My opinion is just and only that as well. But I'm at least trying to be objective and back it up with 3 years of data, all of which point to the idea that he's a very good collegiate QB and that Bama wins in large part because of him not in spite of him.
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I'm not basing his whole career on one half of football. I'm trying to critique what I would want to see if I were trying to determine if I wanted this QB to play for my team.

He gets us in the right formation/play. Check.

He finds open receivers. Check.

He can make the difficult throws to win games in the 4th quarter against GOOD teams. I don't think so.

Let me ask you one question? If you think he is a playmaker, could he win more than 6 games with our team this year?
 
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tds8840 said:
I'm not basing his whole career on one half of football. I'm trying to critique what I would want to see if I were trying to determine if I wanted this QB to play for my team.

He gets us in the right formation/play. Check.

He finds open receivers. Check.

He can make the difficult throws to win games in the 4th quarter against GOOD teams. I don't think so.

Let me ask you one question? If you think he is a playmaker, could he win more than 6 games with our team this year?
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Perhaps you are forgetting the late 4th quarter come from behind td drives engineered by McCarron against LSU in 2012, and against Georgia in last year's SEC championship. Face it, he hasn't had to come from behind often to win a game, but when he had to, he delivered.

Would he win more than 6 games with the 2013 Vols? Doubtful, but he is a very solid qb with talent around him, and he is a winner. It would take someone like Manziel to win with U.T. With him, 8 wouldn't be out of the question. He is someone who can run for his life, and make a play. Most teams would not want to be in the position of relying solely on the qb for a win.
 
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tds8840 said:
I'm not basing his whole career on one half of football. I'm trying to critique what I would want to see if I were trying to determine if I wanted this QB to play for my team.

He gets us in the right formation/play. Check.

He finds open receivers. Check.

He can make the difficult throws to win games in the 4th quarter against GOOD teams. I don't think so.

Let me ask you one question? If you think he is a playmaker, could he win more than 6 games with our team this year?
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Yes. Without a doubt. He wins the Florida and Georgia games and I wouldn't be very worried about Vandy or Kentucky if he was here.... unlike I am right now.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
AJ is not a game manager sorry. He can make any throw at any time. Worley can not. Just because he's not mobile and doesn't turn the ball over makes him a game manager?
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McCarron's arm is very average.

They do a great job playing to his strengths in the passing game. He is very smart as well but you aren't gonna seem him zipping many deep out passes.
 
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KBVol said:
Yes. Without a doubt. He wins the Florida and Georgia games and I wouldn't be very worried about Vandy or Kentucky if he was here.... unlike I am right now.
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I am not sure about Georgia and Florida, but they would be possible. I agree totally about Vandy and Kentucky. Count me among the worried for both games.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I am not sure about Georgia and Florida, but they would be possible. I agree totally about Vandy and Kentucky. Count me among the worried for both games.
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Think about how the Florida game played out. A good QB has us up 17-21 Pts at the half. And he would've played better than Worley in the 2nd half, no?

Georgia? I'm betting he has one more scoring drive in him than Justin in that one. Jmho.
 
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KBVol said:
Think about how the Florida game played out. A good QB has us up 17-21 Pts at the half. And he would've played better than Worley in the 2nd half, no?

Georgia? I'm betting he has one more scoring drive in him than Justin in that one. Jmho.
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If Florida played the first part of the game like they did, maybe. Had we scored early, they may have decided to get off their butts. Who really knows?
 
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1972 Grad said:
If Florida played the first part of the game like they did, maybe. Had we scored early, they may have decided to get off their butts. Who really knows?
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Hindsight's 20/20 and all I can do is go on what happened after the fact. Florida was absolutely horrible in the first half and most seem to believe if Worley had started that game that we'd have had a good chance to win. A competent QB, given the red zone field position we were given in the first half, wouldve had us up 17-21 Pts IMO. McCarron certainly is that. A competent QB also plays at least as well as Justin in the 2nd half. Again, all jmo.
 
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KBVol said:
Hindsight's 20/20 and all I can do is go on what happened after the fact. Florida was absolutely horrible in the first half and most seem to believe if Worley had started that game that we'd have had a good chance to win. A competent QB, given the red zone field position we were given in the first half, wouldve had us up 17-21 Pts IMO. McCarron certainly is that. A competent QB also plays at least as well as Justin in the 2nd half. Again, all jmo.
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I agree with you that we could have won with better qb play, IF (big if) nothing changed other than us scoring more early.
 
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Huh...I think it's funny how earlier in the offseason I said how worley or peterman will transfer and I got called an idiot. huh.

I think worley will come out and fight hard for the job cause he doesn't have room to transfer. Chance of peterman looking at it as an option is very high. Fergy is either going to make himself #2 behind Worley or transfer (small maybe #3 behind peterman). Sitting behind Dobbs isn't a smart move for him unless he bets that he'll get hurt. Dobbs hasn't impressed me the last few games. If he was the natural raw talent so many say he has he would be blowing people away manziel style. He hasn't. Point blank. Now can Fergy do that...maybe and a solid possibility.

So here's my worse case scenario...Worley backs up Dobbs, peterman and Fergy transfer, and CBJ has no QB in this recruiting class. Oy vey...no bueno...etc etc
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1truevol said:
I'm not going to try to change your opinion. I'll leave u with this....Worley's time as our starter is over. Just wait and see.
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Good. I am glad. I am not fond of him as our QB of the future. I think he has an extremely limited skill set. I just expected more out of Dobbs up to this point. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
And led Tennessee's anemic offense to the first TD Alabama has allowed at home all year. Said runs were a large part of that drive. It's time to stop dogging the mobile QB thing. In case you don't recall, Tennessee's last big mobile guy was the one holding up a crystal ball.
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I'm not dogging him. I'm just saying it's probably not the best idea for a small guy like him to run straight into Alabama's linebackers.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I think we should just shut the hell up and support Dobbs for now. Let everything else sort itself out. I have no idea why we have to tear down one or the other to make our opinions have more merit.

Worley won the first meaningful game in several years as starter. Dobbs has shown great potential in his starts despite the outcomes versus very strong opponents.
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Been my point since the beginning of this garbage. He's our qb and we don't have an option B. Support the kid and we head into spring practice with either an entrenched starter or an open competition. It would be better for TN if Dobbs ran away with the job over the last two games, but if not, then it's anybody's shot.
 
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Dobbs has not progressed at all in the 4 weeks he has been the starter. Still can't read defenses, still can't complete a pass upfield and still making the same mistakes. Any time he threw the ball upfield, he either threw an INT or the WR had to make a play to break up the pass thrown right to a DB.

He is a true freshman and the receivers struggled getting any separation. But, Dobbs has still not shown any indication that he will be a proficient QB in this conference.
 
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