Don't sleep on Brady Hoke & Michigan

#76
#76
VOODOOVOL said:
In his sixth season.
He also left there with an overall losing record.
Also left SDSU with a losing record.
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Dooley could have coached Louisiana Tech 16 years and I don't think he would have ever sniffed a 12-win season.
 
#77
#77
SGMVols said:
Dooley could have coached Louisiana Tech 16 years and I don't think he would have ever sniffed a 12-win season.
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You're the one touting Hoke as a great coach.
I just pointed out that he has a career losing record.

Since you're bringing up Dooley, you said:

"He has a losing record in a God-awful conference like the WAC".

Seems like that would also apply to Hoke in the MAC and MWC.

You're just relying on conjecture when predicting what could have happened at LA Tech. I'm just showing you the facts.

It is amusing to watch you struggle with this. When Dooley was hired all you could talk about was a losing record in 3 seasons. Hoke has a losing record in 8 seasons and you think he's the next Bo at Michigan.
 
#78
#78
VOODOOVOL said:
It is amusing to watch you struggle with this. When Dooley was hired all you could talk about was a losing record in 3 seasons. Hoke has a losing record in 8 seasons and you think he's the next Bo at Michigan.
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This is kind of the problem I have had with um fans for most of my lifetime. (and Im not trying to point out anyone here when I say it) MOST michigan fans will turn the story to meet their own wishes. Losing record in 8 years, but he's a former um assistant so he is a michigan man. And he had that 12-1 season at a crappy school (and also a crappy schedule to help get there)

Im sure hoke is a fine coach, but I dont think he is bo, or even fLloyd. Time will tell.
 
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#80
#80
GatorBill said:
michigans football tradition is built of from what?

If your answer is anything but Bo Schembechler, then you dont know anything about michigan football.

I am assuming that you do know something, so Im assuming that we agree here.

Bo WAS michigan football in the 70s and 80s. When Bo left for the Tigers, the program stayed top 10, most of the time, but they were not the program that Bo left behind.

I think the michigan academics are superior to most schools, in a lot of ways. But there is proof out there, and I dont have to time to track it down, that they treat their football players different than the rest of their student body. Does that make them different than most schools? NO. So my suggestion is that they need to quit pretending that it does.
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Michigan has the most wins in NCAA football. Bo is a big part of that. Ever heard of Fielding Yost? He was pretty decent. Harry Kipke won more titles than Bo even.

And yeah, Michigan wasn't exactly the same with Bo. They still won 8 conference titles and a national title in 20 years. Still pretty damn good.

And all schools do. When you have an academic program like Michigan, you have a right to brag.
 
#81
#81
GatorBill said:
my sources, and yes I have them, say that Hoke was somewhere around choice #4. There were a lot of things happening during that time, and um AD has already been caught in lies about it (Claiming Hoke was his first choice, but then Harbaugh came out and admitted to turning down a contract)

Anyways, the season will be interesting. I dont think michigan will ever drop off the national radar completely. But I honestly do not think it will be the same as it was in the Bo days, or even Lloyd Carr days.

Lloyd Carr himself said that michigan football was not the same after bo died. Bo did A LOT for that team after he retired. He still had an office in the football complex. he met with every important recruit as they came on campus. He was a HUGE figure in that program for years after he retired.

Lloyd had said that recruiting was never the same after. There was so much that Bo did that was then turned over to him. Made it a different job.

Then with Lloyd gone (and trust me, as a MSU fan, Im glad Lloyd stepped down. He is a good coach, and a better man.) It was much easier to recruit against and play against RichRod

Will have to see what Hoke can put up as a coach there. All coaches at michigan will be measured by the standards bo set, not by moeller, or lloyd, and especially not by richrod.
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That's AD speak. Hamilton said Dooley was one of his top 3 choices, a total lie. Most fans are happy with Hoke.

Michigan will be fine. They made a bad hire. Rich Rod couldn't adapt to Big 10 defenses + academic standards to recruit.

There is no reason, whatsoever, Michigan can't be a championship caliber program. NONE.
 
#82
#82
GatorBill said:
still not sure how he did that. Smoke and mirrors?

Hoke has a pretty good resume'. He turned some crap programs into winners. But he didnt spend a whole lot of time at either program.

Just his resume' as an assistant is pretty impressive. I just dont think it turns around real fast.

(im sure if he pulls out a win in E Lansing this year, yall will bump this thread and rip me a new one)
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A QB that couldn't get in to any other schools and a pretty good D.

Hoke is a great coach imo. If he's given 3 years, Michigan will be back, especially with Fickell at tOSU.
 
#83
#83
I'd assume OSU will go in a different direction this year if OSU doesn't do that well.
 
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