Dorial Green Beckham to Oklahoma

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owenfieldreams said:
Let's try and add some clarity to the situation; first, when he was seen on campus in Norman with some of our assistant coaches, he had already signed his scholarship paperwork so there is no NCAA violation here.

The situation involving the female who was allegedly pushed down a few stairs was never adjudicated because charges were never filed. The two pot incidents were certainly cause for concern but what program doesn't have issues with players using or being around pot?

Our staff has had a long close relationship with DGB going back to his recruitment coming out of Springfield. We were considered the front runner for his services right up until his surprise signing with Mizzou.

Finally, Stoops has a history of giving players second chances that for the most part have worked out very well, for both the player and the program. There may be followers of the Sooner program who have their issues with Stoops but his integrity and the way he handles player discipline is considered beyond reproach. He kicked two starters off the team in 2005 right before the season started, including our starting QB. Last year, he kicked our #1 RB, Damian Williams, off the team right before our seasoning ending stretch run. Williams did not play against OSU or Alabama.

There is no way that this decision was made with out the utmost in due diligence and the sign-off by our AD & President Boren. Hell, I am more pissed off about our new non-traditional uniforms than I am about this. I think the odds are better than 50/50 that he plays in 2014 based on recent precedent with the LSU b'ball player who was allowed to transfer and play immediately @ LSU.
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That LSU player wasn't kicked off for disciplinary issues like DGB. Not to mention, charges may not have been filed, but the fact that the issue is there points to character problems
 
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......."character problems", and isn't such a human weakness what coaching is all about? I have a great-nephew on the current Sooner squad & one of the reasons he decided on OU was the way the staff coaches, trains, & mentors the players. Stoops is still a relatively young coach who remembers well what it was like to be a young, immature college athlete. He does a tremendous job bringing these kids along as they grow and mature, not only as athletes but as citizens.
 
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The Big Dirty said:
Lol didn't Bonner rob Georgia's locker room on his recruiting visit? That was just two years ago. Butch has been signing good guys, but we definitely still have our share of goons.
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With all due respect, Bonner was a Dooley recruit if memory serves. My memory is hazy but I'm thinking he'd already been kicked off the team before CBJ became coach. If someone else corrected this then my apologies but I didn't see where anyone had.
 
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owenfieldreams said:
......."character problems", and isn't such a human weakness what coaching is all about? I have a great-nephew on the current Sooner squad & one of the reasons he decided on OU was the way the staff coaches, trains, & mentors the players. Stoops is still a relatively young coach who remembers well what it was like to be a young, immature college athlete. He does a tremendous job bringing these kids along as they grow and mature, not only as athletes but as citizens.
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As long as the kid sits out a year then I don't have any problem. Everyone deserves a second chance, but must also suffer the consequences of their actions.
 
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gunner said:
IPlease move forward instead of looking back.
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gunner said:
. Please move forward instead of looking back.
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You obviously didn't read my other post. I said that we are fortunate to have Butch Jones who is making a change. But I'm not going to act like one year under him is enough time to change our reputation of recruiting problem kids. That went on for two decades plus and for us fans to criticize Stoops for taking a kid like DGB is hypocritical. All SEC programs take kids on a second and third chance. We are no better in this regard than any other program.
 
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owenfieldreams said:
......."character problems", and isn't such a human weakness what coaching is all about? I have a great-nephew on the current Sooner squad & one of the reasons he decided on OU was the way the staff coaches, trains, & mentors the players. Stoops is still a relatively young coach who remembers well what it was like to be a young, immature college athlete. He does a tremendous job bringing these kids along as they grow and mature, not only as athletes but as citizens.
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"Young, immature college athlete". Fine.

Pushing a woman down a flight of stairs? Disgusting.
 
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ntxVOL said:
As long as the kid sits out a year then I don't have any problem. Everyone deserves a second chance, but must also suffer the consequences of their actions.
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I agree 100%. Getting kicked off the team for domestic violence is not a hardship. Surely the NCAA can't afford to lose any more credibility right now. Besides, if he doesn't play this year, I doubt he sees the field. At this point, I can't see him sitting out a year and staying out of trouble since he couldn't do it as an active player.
 
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Quaint88 said:
I agree 100%. Getting kicked off the team for domestic violence is not a hardship. Surely the NCAA can't afford to lose any more credibility right now. Besides, if he doesn't play this year, I doubt he sees the field. At this point, I can't see him sitting out a year and staying out of trouble since he couldn't do it as an active player.
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No, but the NCAA has ruled, very recently, that getting dismissed from a team for suspicion of an action, and then later finding no evidence of that action, IS essentially equivalent to a hardship. Combine that with Stoops literally squeaky clean image with the NCAA, and there's a better than average chance DGB plays this fall.
 
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PagingDrVol said:
No, but the NCAA has ruled, very recently, that getting dismissed from a team for suspicion of an action, and then later finding no evidence of that action, IS essentially equivalent to a hardship. Combine that with Stoops literally squeaky clean image with the NCAA, and there's a better than average chance DGB plays this fall.
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Don't forget to add in the AA's incompetence.
 
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owenfieldreams said:
Let's try and add some clarity to the situation; first, when he was seen on campus in Norman with some of our assistant coaches, he had already signed his scholarship paperwork so there is no NCAA violation here.

The situation involving the female who was allegedly pushed down a few stairs was never adjudicated because charges were never filed. The two pot incidents were certainly cause for concern but what program doesn't have issues with players using or being around pot?

Our staff has had a long close relationship with DGB going back to his recruitment coming out of Springfield. We were considered the front runner for his services right up until his surprise signing with Mizzou.

Finally, Stoops has a history of giving players second chances that for the most part have worked out very well, for both the player and the program. There may be followers of the Sooner program who have their issues with Stoops but his integrity and the way he handles player discipline is considered beyond reproach. He kicked two starters off the team in 2005 right before the season started, including our starting QB. Last year, he kicked our #1 RB, Damian Williams, off the team right before our seasoning ending stretch run. Williams did not play against OSU or Alabama.

There is no way that this decision was made with out the utmost in due diligence and the sign-off by our AD & President Boren. Hell, I am more pissed off about our new non-traditional uniforms than I am about this. I think the odds are better than 50/50 that he plays in 2014 based on recent precedent with the LSU b'ball player who was allowed to transfer and play immediately @ LSU.
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All this did was make me want to kick the @#$# out of Oklahoma even more
 
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PagingDrVol said:
The NCAA might indeed be considered incompetent based on many observations over recent years. However, that fact has little bearing over this particular situation.
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He was booted from Missouri for a reason.(consider that reason) If he is allowed to play and the AA accepts an appeal it will open Pandora's box. Watch this closely.
Found this on yahoo:

Green-Beckham, a rising junior, was dismissed from Missouri following multiple violations of team rules. In his two years at Missouri, Green-Beckham was twice arrested on marijuana charges. In April, Green-Beckham was involved in a “physical altercation” where he allegedly pushed a female, causing her to fall down several stairs. The April incident led to his dismissal by Mizzou head coach Gary Pinkel.
 
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ntxVOL said:
Hmm, seems he thinks he was wrongfully dismissed from Mizzou since assault charges were never filed by victims. Therefore, he thinks he is entitled to a waiver to play this year.

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OR ... Oklahoma TOLD him he was wrongfully dismissed from Mizzou since the assualt charges were never filed. Please don't give DGB that much credit:)
 
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PagingDrVol said:
No, but the NCAA has ruled, very recently, that getting dismissed from a team for suspicion of an action, and then later finding no evidence of that action, IS essentially equivalent to a hardship. Combine that with Stoops literally squeaky clean image with the NCAA, and there's a better than average chance DGB plays this fall.
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I hope the NCAA doesn't view the alleged victim not pressing charges as finding no evidence (Pinkel clearly didn't), but stranger things have happened.
 
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This is one of those key moments for the NCAA.. if they give this high profile player a waiver, that will end up being another black eye on their policy
 
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WooPigSooie said:
This is one of those key moments for the NCAA.. if they give this high profile player a waiver, that will end up being another black eye on their policy
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As a hog fan, I'm sure you want the vols to slap the hell out of OKlahoma. My wife's entire family is hog fans. They don't share much love for the vols but they want us to beat the sooners.
 
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As forgiving as Stoops is being with Beckham, perhaps Trey Metoyer got a "raw deal" or maybe even caught the "short end of the stick"...Say what you want to about running a dirty program but Stoops definitely didn't let Metoyer "get off easy".
 
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