Dormady will give Dobbs a run for his money, immediately ~ Brad Shepard

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KBVol said:
And he's really struck up a deep, personal friendship with Kahlil since finally meeting him last week Butch....
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KM will NEVER commit to Tennessee if we don't land Gibson. :)
 
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The thing I think people are overlooking about Dormady is his athleticism.

He's a pretty big guy at 6'4" 210 and runs a SPARQ verified 4.15s shuttle. That time would have put him at #11 for all QBs running the 20y shuttle over the last 5 years at the Combine. Some other times:

Manziel ran a 20y shuttle in 4.03s. That's elite and is the 2nd best time since 2006 in the Combine by a QB.

Christian Ponder and Russel Wilson ran a 4.09s.

Jake Locker ran a 4.12s.

Dormady's time is here at a 4.15s.

Tebow ran a 4.17s.

Kaepernick ran a 4.18s.

Luck ran a 4.28s.

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Gibson ran a 4.38s - SPARQ.

Jennings ran a 4.56s - SPARQ.

What does this mean? As far as I understand it, Jones is looking for a QB to occasionally keep the ball on the option and pick up "gimme yards" on a broken play. If a QB can retain the option and make 3 reads and gun it for the sideline on a broken play and shake a tackle or two, I think that perfectly fits Jones' system. The 20y shuttle is a more indicative time for an elusive QB that can get you small chunks of yards but won't really break a 70 yard run. In the end, a QB that can get you those small chunks and keep drives alive and shake off sacks is more valuable than a once-every-season 70y TD run.

Andrew Luck is a good example of this, barring running the option. Luck had 63 carries for 377 yards and 4 TDs over his 2013 campaign. I think results like that are almost ideal for a QB in Jones' system. It's almost a perfect 10-1 pass/run ratio for a QB.

Of course, I'm not comparing Dormady to Luck directly, only using Luck (who is not a danger to break out a 60 yard TD run but can still keep plenty of drives alive with his legs on a 3rd and 4 converting on a 6 yard run) as an example of what is effectively the "new age QB".

And, lastly, to cap that all out Dormady has a great arm (at least as a Soph in HS and at camps currently) in addition to very legit athleticism.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Dobbs was our #3 QB who became #2 by default. Nothing more has been proven and nothing CBJ has said or indicated about Dobbs performance in practice has suggested otherwise.
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and nothing CBJ ever said states he's anything less than the starter either
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Ferguson was beating out Dobbs based on performance but the will to compete was obviously lacking based ont he fact that he just quit. He didnt quit because he could not beat out Dobbs. He quit because Jones wasnt going to give him the starting job over Worley who, all else being equal, had the experience even though all indications from camp and the O&W game was that none of them were particularly good. Worley was anointed the leader for the starting job based on reps with the first team and experience.
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and where did CBJ or any of his staff validate this?
 
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KBVol said:
Just not true. I agree that he ran away but it had more to do with his immaturity and frustration with not being named the starter over Worley, not because he wasn't ahead of Dobbs because he clearly was. This is all your uninformed opinion with absolutely no facts/documentation to back it up. I'm a Dobbs fan but by all accounts (including the fact that he played almost exclusively with/vs the 2s in the O&W game) suggests that he was running 3rd behind Worley and Ferguson this Spring. I JUST heard Brent Hubbs say, AGAIN, that Dobbs was very inconsistent throughout the entire Spring and the O&W game was BY FAR his best showing all Spring.

Again, I'm a big Dobbs fan because I think he's a great kid and can bring a different dimension to QB for UT. I sincerely hope he takes a huge leap with his accuracy, ball security and decision-making when fall camp starts and is the starter on August 31. But I'm not gonna make stuff up about what happened in the Spring and miscast the facts of where Dobbs and the other QBs stood this Spring. I wish you would do the same.
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which is it? hubbs and all other media were horribly wrong, yet even after the fact, u guys keep referring back to them. nobody truly knows where they were rated all spring because the staff never really said anything. now we know after the spring game, by the events that took place who wasn't anywhere near where these "so-called" reports said he was thus him leaving. here we are back to the same stuff u guys were tryin to get across in the srping as if the events never took place. it's over for riley. hubbs and the media were wrong. they gave folks what they wanted to hear. ratings. there was such a visable dropoff in every aspect of the spring game event after dobbs and worley
 
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livefaith said:
If that statement is anywhere near being true, then you don't want that guy ever taking a snap in a real game. A FR quitting b/c he doesn't get to start over a senior? He really thought that?

Problem is, nobody on this board has probably ever met one of these QBs, let alone knows a single real thing @ them outside of TV or Neyland seats. Yet, so many speak as if they were there. :birgits_giggle:
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Agreed. But here is what I know and what I can use to build the foundation of my opinion:

1. I have seen both Worley and Dobbs in real game situations and not I nor anyone else can say that you were impressed with them when comparing them to any quarterback UT has had in the last 20+ years, including any of those QBs in their true freshman years.

2. We are all having this speculative conversation because coach Jones cant clearly define who the starting QB will be because none of them are good enough to step up and take it.

3. If Dormady or Jennings or Gibson or whoever Jones brings in as the future QB arent capable of being better than the batch of QBs we have now, the program will not move forward as planned.

My opinion: People try to argue that Worley and Dobbs are "worthy" because they havent seen real good football players at UT for so long that their standards have been so lowered and they'll take anything and call it 'good'. Neither of these guys would have started at UT between 1988 and 2008.
 
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Dormady looked the part as a sophomore. That in itself is a very positive position for the team to be in..
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Agreed. But here is what I know and what I can use to build the foundation of my opinion:

1. I have seen both Worley and Dobbs in real game situations and not I nor anyone else can say that you were impressed with them when comparing them to any quarterback UT has had in the last 20+ years, including any of those QBs in their true freshman years.

2. We are all having this speculative conversation because coach Jones cant clearly define who the starting QB will be because none of them are good enough to step up and take it.

3. If Dormady or Jennings or Gibson or whoever Jones brings in as the future QB arent capable of being better than the batch of QBs we have now, the program will not move forward as planned.

My opinion: People try to argue that Worley and Dobbs are "worthy" because they havent seen real good football players at UT for so long that their standards have been so lowered and they'll take anything and call it 'good'. Neither of these guys would have started at UT between 1988 and 2008.
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So Dobbs playing as a TRUE FRESHMAN validates this how? This sounds full of hate. If Brent Schaffer could start, Joshua Dobbs sure as hell could. IJS
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Agreed. But here is what I know and what I can use to build the foundation of my opinion:

1. I have seen both Worley and Dobbs in real game situations and not I nor anyone else can say that you were impressed with them when comparing them to any quarterback UT has had in the last 20+ years, including any of those QBs in their true freshman years.

2. We are all having this speculative conversation because coach Jones cant clearly define who the starting QB will be because none of them are good enough to step up and take it.

3. If Dormady or Jennings or Gibson or whoever Jones brings in as the future QB arent capable of being better than the batch of QBs we have now, the program will not move forward as planned.

My opinion: People try to argue that Worley and Dobbs are "worthy" because they havent seen real good football players at UT for so long that their standards have been so lowered and they'll take anything and call it 'good'. Neither of these guys would have started at UT between 1988 and 2008.
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Nonsense. I have been following Vols football since 1966 and I like the 2014 versions of Worley and Dobbs a lot. Only a damn fool would look at what a college football player does in his first year of meaningful playing time and say that is all he will ever be. Ridiculous.
 
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lovavol said:
Gibson reminds me of VY...very athletic but lacks accuracy. ...Dormady looks good on film from A&Ms 7 v 7
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Lacks accuracy, eh? So, when have you watched him....you know, kill gophers or hit cheerleaders in the back of the head, with a football?
 
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