Duck Bowl Game Observations

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Vercingetorix said:
So that means you were completely fine with the Jabar Gaffney catch, right?
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Lol, what? No, I wasn't as I was there at the game and saw it with everyone else that he didn't have possession of the ball. Also, the refs didn't miss a call on something that should have been blown dead as soon as the play started. Bad comparison.
 
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Speaking of the Ducks, does anyone remember the WORST blown call in NCAA history? It was Oregon vs Oklahoma. Forgot what year. Someone youtube it. I can't , I'm at work.
 
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CHeightsvol said:
I seem to remember playing them 2 years ago and we were actually up before the monsoon! Barner's punt return quickly showed their speed difference and they blew us out in the second half. We just have to play to our strength (O-Line pounding their defensive front seven). I doubt we win, BUT bigger upsets have happened!

Also, remember they may be a little tired and hopefully slower due to traveling across the country to play at UVA before us.
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don't tn have to fly across country to play them ?
 
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davethevol said:
Lol, what? No, I wasn't as I was there at the game and saw it with everyone else that he didn't have possession of the ball. Also, the refs didn't miss a call on something that should have been blown dead as soon as the play started. Bad comparison.
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You said that refs don't have time to go back and fix mistakes. I don't see why it's such a bad comparison, unless you're making a big legalistic distinction between procedural mistakes and football mistakes. Had the refs huddled up and made a legitimate attempt to get the call right, Gaffney's drop would have been ruled incomplete. Against LSU, the refs DID huddle up and make a legitimate attempt to get the call as right as possible, eventually ruling correctly that another play needed to be run.
 
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davethevol said:
I'm with you there. I was at the UNC game celebrating the win. That was absolutely the biggest bunch of BS I've ever witnessed.
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My daughter (9 at the time) left the stadium squalling. One of the most sickening games I've ever been to.
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Vercingetorix said:
You said that refs don't have time to go back and fix mistakes. I don't see why it's such a bad comparison, unless you're making a big legalistic distinction between procedural mistakes and football mistakes. Had the refs huddled up and made a legitimate attempt to get the call right, Gaffney's drop would have been ruled incomplete. Against LSU, the refs DID huddle up and make a legitimate attempt to get the call as right as possible, eventually ruling correctly that another play needed to be run.
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I said they don't have unlimited time. And again, they aren't similar situations. The closest situation would be the UT/UNC game where the game was over (it technically was over in the LSU game as well).

You and I will just have to disagree regarding this.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
You said that refs don't have time to go back and fix mistakes. I don't see why it's such a bad comparison, unless you're making a big legalistic distinction between procedural mistakes and football mistakes. Had the refs huddled up and made a legitimate attempt to get the call right, Gaffney's drop would have been ruled incomplete. Against LSU, the refs DID huddle up and make a legitimate attempt to get the call as right as possible, eventually ruling correctly that another play needed to be run.
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Yeah the game can not end on a defensive penalty. No time put back on the clock just run another play. One point that no one makes is that had the Vols stuffed the next play they would have won. I put it all on that coaching staff. Just poor substitution execution.
 
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Daj is absolutely right. I know our attrition is greater (thanks Kiff), but we match up very well against Oregon.

It's too early to call this a pivot game for CBJ, but I'm excited because I think this could be an upset special if Butch is the coach we think he is. We sure as hell should beat the 20+ point spread.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
You said that refs don't have time to go back and fix mistakes. I don't see why it's such a bad comparison, unless you're making a big legalistic distinction between procedural mistakes and football mistakes. Had the refs huddled up and made a legitimate attempt to get the call right, Gaffney's drop would have been ruled incomplete. Against LSU, the refs DID huddle up and make a legitimate attempt to get the call as right as possible, eventually ruling correctly that another play needed to be run.
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Unless my memory of the rules is incorrect in this instance, let us not forget the dead-ball unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that no. 53 for LSU should have been flagged for on this play. The fact that he took off his helmet and slammed it to the ground at the fifteen yard line was clearly overlooked by the officiating crew (see :37 and 1:23 mark of this video clip: LSU Miracle Victory Over Tennessee 16-14 - YouTube). Yes, there should have been another play but the ball should have been placed at about our sixteen yard line, after marking off both penalties. It would have been a much more challenging scoring opportunity from that point.
 
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davethevol said:
I said they don't have unlimited time. And again, they aren't similar situations. The closest situation would be the UT/UNC game where the game was over (it technically was over in the LSU game as well).

You and I will just have to disagree regarding this.
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There has probably never been a situation in major-college football similar to the end of that LSU/UT game, which is why I the Gaffney game -- or any game which potentially ends on an official's mistake -- is a reasonable comparison, since all that matters at that point is the larger principle. I.e., did the refs huddle up to try to get the call right? That's what they did in Baton Rouge. They got it about as right as was possible.

Anyway, if your stance really is that we won that game, then yes, you will probably just have to disagree with just about everybody. Maybe the Dooley family agrees with you.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Unless my memory of the rules is incorrect in this instance, let us not forget the dead-ball unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that no. 53 for LSU should have been flagged for on this play. The fact that he took off his helmet and slammed it to the ground at the fifteen yard line was clearly overlooked by the officiating crew (see :37 and 1:23 mark of this video clip). Yes, there should have been another play but the ball should have been placed at about our sixteen yard line, after marking off both penalties. It would have been a much more challenging scoring opportunity from that point.
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After all the stuff that happened on that play, missing a helmet slam 15 years back behind the play when the game was supposedly over isn't something that bothers me. Penalizing UT half the distance was effectively a do-over, which was the fairest outcome. It would have been nice if they'd called the personal foul, but I don't feel jobbed that they didn't.

We lost the game because we couldn't get a stop on 4th and 14 two minutes earlier.
 
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Jasongivm6 said:
Speaking of the Ducks, does anyone remember the WORST blown call in NCAA history? It was Oregon vs Oklahoma. Forgot what year. Someone youtube it. I can't , I'm at work.
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That wasn't a blown call, it was deliberate. If I recall right, they reviewed it on replay and still made the call stand. There was no way to not see what happened. Okla got shafted on purpose. It's one thing to miss a call, it's another to watch a play that is so obvious it can be seen even from the Hubble space scope and still let the call stand.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
After all the stuff that happened on that play, missing a helmet slam 15 years back behind the play when the game was supposedly over isn't something that bothers me. Penalizing UT half the distance was effectively a do-over, which was the fairest outcome. It would have been nice if they'd called the personal foul, but I don't feel jobbed that they didn't.

We lost the game because we couldn't get a stop on 4th and 14 two minutes earlier.
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In that case, I will give you credit for being more forgiving than I am. The referee was, at the time of that foul, standing at the 24-yard line. While observing the scrum for possession of the ball, he was facing the general direction of the offending LSU player.
 
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Phil-A-Man Jaro said:
One thing I noticed about the bearcats is that they got better as the season went on....the exact opposite of Dooley's teams. I think Butch can motivate and get the team better. Dooley was very pessimistic...too much at times and talked down about the team or even specific players and I think the team takes on the personality of their coach. As a result, each stumble and/or loss caused us to lose confidence, have divison amongst the team and play worse.

Butch is much more optimistic and outgoing. I think he will keep the team focused and getting better even after a loss.
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Thank you,i feel the same way.Dooley would not coach up the kids.Like yourself, I believe CBJ will coach UP. He will not coach them down when things go south.
 
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eloist said:
sadly i agree.

Obviously I'm hoping for a win, but I think this game could be hugely demoralizing for our squad and it will likely carry over to Florida the next week.
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Or it could go the other way. Losing can often have a way of getting a team fired up.

It's up to coaching.
 
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Jasongivm6 said:
Speaking of the Ducks, does anyone remember the WORST blown call in NCAA history? It was Oregon vs Oklahoma. Forgot what year. Someone youtube it. I can't , I'm at work.
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Yea, I had the pleasure of having a meeting in Oklahoma City three days later and my UCLA grad fellow employee let them know I was a Duck just as the meeting was over. I had eight sooners around me in about 30 seconds.

Oklahoma Sooners vs. Oregon Ducks Officiating Controversy - YouTube

NOTE: I didn't remind them that a week or two earlier they were the beneficiaries of a bad call that saved them against a very weak opponent.
 
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tnvols72 said:
wow , that was bad as a call that you will ever see. somebody got paid
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The most pathetic part of that blown call were the Death Threats from sooner fans to the official that blew the call. That was the worst part of the whole thing.
 
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