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#151
#151
Bumi said:
Not just the national stage, but rather the national stage against legit OOC opponents. The recent perception is that Oregon can't get it done, and the perception will remain as such until the Ducks prove otherwise. I believe they'll get their chance in another BCS game this year.
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See. That's all I'm trying to say. Every big win we have seems to not count because of some sort of qualification. Have we lost some big games? Yes. Just like every team in the history of football but they aren't choke prone I guess. Just us.

If we beat a Top 10 conference opponent. Then it doesn't matter because it was in conference... Why? Facing a Top 10 game against an opponent in your conference doesn't qualify as a big win? In what universe does that make sense? 'Bama's win over Arkansas was a big win. But according to your logic it doesn't matter cause it was in conference.

If we beat a good out of conference team like, say, Utah with the longest win streak in the country it doesn't matter cause they are overrated or not from a good enough conference.

If we beat a Big 6 conference opponent in a big game, like Michigan at Ann Arbor, doesn't matter... not in a BCS Bowl.

What's it gonna take?

A BCS Bowl win? Ok...

Let's say we dominate a Big XII Champion in the Fiesta Bowl. That count yet?

I'm not saying we dominate big stages. But choke prone is a major stretch that can only be made with all sorts of special, convenient caveats.

Right conference, right team with a perfect schedule, in a game played in bad weather that only affects Oregon, who has to be wearing a specific uniform color, and match any criteria else anybody can think of.
 
#153
#153
Nightowl said:
See. That's all I'm trying to say. Every big win we have seems to not count because of some sort of qualification. Have we lost some big games? Yes. Just like every team in the history of football but they aren't choke prone I guess. Just us.

If we beat a Top 10 conference opponent. Then it doesn't matter because it was in conference... Why? Facing a Top 10 game against an opponent in your conference doesn't qualify as a big win? In what universe does that make sense? 'Bama's win over Arkansas was a big win. But according to your logic it doesn't matter cause it was in conference.

If we beat a good out of conference team like, say, Utah with the longest win streak in the country it doesn't matter cause they are overrated or not from a good enough conference.

If we beat a Big 6 conference opponent in a big game, like Michigan at Ann Arbor, doesn't matter... not in a BCS Bowl.

What's it gonna take?

A BCS Bowl win? Ok...

Let's say we dominate a Big XII Champion in the Fiesta Bowl. That count yet?

I'm not saying we dominate big stages. But choke prone is a major stretch that can only be made with all sorts of special, convenient caveats.

Right conference, right team with a perfect schedule, in a game played in bad weather that only affects Oregon, who has to be wearing a specific uniform color, and match any criteria else anybody can think of.
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Big conference games do matter, but they aren't looked at in the same light as big OCC games. I don't know why exactly that is, it just is. Beating USC was great for the Ducks, but laying an egg against both Boise and Ohio State doesn't help national perception.

Utah doesn't have the longest winning streak in the country, and I very much doubt people would be vastly impressed with a win over the Utes.

A win over Michigan doesn't mean as much as it once did. We all know that.

If Oregon beat Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Auburn, etc. It'd help national perception.

A BCS bowl win would indeed help.
 
#155
#155
Yeah, I'm a member. We welcome other fans who want to discuss college football in an Around the NCAA forum there. Feel free to come join in some intelligent discourse.

Or not. Echo chambers are nice too.
 
#156
#156
Nightowl said:
See. That's all I'm trying to say. Every big win we have seems to not count because of some sort of qualification. Have we lost some big games? Yes. Just like every team in the history of football but they aren't choke prone I guess. Just us.

If we beat a Top 10 conference opponent. Then it doesn't matter because it was in conference... Why? Facing a Top 10 game against an opponent in your conference doesn't qualify as a big win? In what universe does that make sense? 'Bama's win over Arkansas was a big win. But according to your logic it doesn't matter cause it was in conference.

If we beat a good out of conference team like, say, Utah with the longest win streak in the country it doesn't matter cause they are overrated or not from a good enough conference.

If we beat a Big 6 conference opponent in a big game, like Michigan at Ann Arbor, doesn't matter... not in a BCS Bowl.

What's it gonna take?

A BCS Bowl win? Ok...

Let's say we dominate a Big XII Champion in the Fiesta Bowl. That count yet?

I'm not saying we dominate big stages. But choke prone is a major stretch that can only be made with all sorts of special, convenient caveats.

Right conference, right team with a perfect schedule, in a game played in bad weather that only affects Oregon, who has to be wearing a specific uniform color, and match any criteria else anybody can think of.
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I would be a little frustrated if I was an Oregon fan as well. The Boise loss last year was critical. I'm not saying it is fair, but it is what it is.

Beat Stanford and USC this year and win your BCS bowl, and O will earn about 2 years of pub. Give it time.
 
#157
#157
Bumi said:
You do know this is a thread pertaining to Oregon football? It's ok to talk football that doesn't involve the Vols.
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I know. You seem like good e-people but this guy's love fest with Oregon is getting old. Sure they are a good team, not the world beaters he's making them out to be. My point was that he's not going to convince anyone here they're as good on the field as they are in his mind. No harm meant.
 
#158
#158
Bumi said:
Big conference games do matter, but they aren't looked at in the same light as big OCC games. I don't know why exactly that is, it just is. Beating USC was great for the Ducks, but laying an egg against both Boise and Ohio State doesn't help national perception.

Utah doesn't have the longest winning streak in the country.
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They did. 16 games. Then they lost to Oregon.


College Sports | College Football | Oregon ends Utah's 16-game winning streak | Seattle Times Newspaper


"Oregon beats No. 18 Utah 31-24 to snap the Nation's longest winning streak."

If Oregon beat Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Auburn, etc. It'd help national perception.

A BCS bowl win would indeed help.
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September 1st, 2001. #22 Oregon: 31, #7 Wisconsin: 28.

2001 BCS Bowl. Oregon win. (38-16 over Colorado.)

September 26th, 2006. #15 Oregon: 34, #14 Oklahoma: 33.


Next caveats, please.
 
#159
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10essee Refugee said:
I know. You seem like good e-people but this guy's love fest with Oregon is getting old. Sure they are a good team, not the world beaters he's making them out to be. My point was that he's not going to convince anyone here they're as good on the field as they are in his mind. No harm meant.
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Dude. I've said at least a dozen times that we're not world beaters.

I'm simply saying we're not choke prone.
 
#160
#160
Nightowl said:
They did. 16 games. Then they lost to Oregon.


College Sports | College Football | Oregon ends Utah's 16-game winning streak | Seattle Times Newspaper


"Oregon beats No. 18 Utah 31-24 to snap the Nation's longest winning streak."



September 1st, 2001. #22 Oregon: 31, #7 Wisconsin: 28.

2001 BCS Bowl. Oregon win. (38-16 over Colorado.)

September 26th, 2006. #15 Oregon: 34, #14 Oklahoma: 33.


Next caveats, please.
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I thought you were asking about an Oregon vs. Utah matchup in reference to today. Hence my comment. Simple misunderstanding.

But I get your point, unfortunately, this isn't 2006 nor 2001. The Ducks have dropped a few big games OOC recently, and because of that, they've gotten the choke artist stigma. It isn't permanent, it can be shaken. All they need to do is handle business on the field, get to a BCS bowl, and win. All harm will be undone.
 
#164
#164
10essee Refugee said:
I know. You seem like good e-people but this guy's love fest with Oregon is getting old. Sure they are a good team, not the world beaters he's making them out to be. My point was that he's not going to convince anyone here they're as good on the field as they are in his mind. No harm meant.
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I understand where you're coming from. SOME Ducks fans have taken this recent strong of success to the head. Nightowl is cool people though.
 
#165
#165
Bumi said:
I thought you were asking about an Oregon vs. Utah matchup in reference to today. Hence my comment. Simple misunderstanding.

But I get your point, unfortunately, this isn't 2006 nor 2001. The Ducks have dropped a few big games OOC recently, and because of that, they've gotten the choke artist stigma. It isn't permanent, it can be shaken. All they need to do is handle business on the field, get to a BCS bowl, and win. All harm will be undone.
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I see your point, but I still think Oregon has a couple big quality wins, in and out of conference in the last year or two which are still relevant to the discussion, your point about it not being 2001 is a good one.

But I guess it just comes to a simple agree to disagree.

All we can do is win. Hopefully we start tomorrow.

....but that's in conference and thus wouldn't count.


....Just kidding, just kidding... :mf_surrender: :p
 
#166
#166
Nightowl said:
I see your point, but I still think Oregon has a couple big quality wins, in and out of conference in the last year or two which are still relevant to the discussion, your point about it not being 2001 is a good one.

But I guess it just comes to a simple agree to disagree.

All we can do is win. Hopefully we start tomorrow.

....but that's in conference and thus wouldn't count.


....Just kidding, just kidding... :mf_surrender: :p
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They have some very quality conference wins. No one will argue against that.

They have to make sure after the win tomorrow that they finish the season strong.
 
#167
#167
Bumi said:
They have some very quality conference wins. No one will argue against that.

They have to make sure after the win tomorrow that they finish the season strong.
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In my opinion this is the scariest game on the schedule. That and MAYBE @ Oregon State. Though they don't look like much right now though but Oregon State football has a long, deeply entrenched history of starting seasons very slow and finishing them very strong. It's something to keep in mind looking at this team.

Also, @ USC confuses me. I can't get a bead on USC. I simply don't know if they are the 5-4 conference team that they were last year or much improved.
 
#170
#170
The only good thing about Bakersfield is the in-n-out. And a decent outlet mall.
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