Ducks sign Chip Kelly to new 6-year contract

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#101
Bumi said:
Because Basketball, which is a sport of 11 man rosters, is really comparable to football, in which 75 man rosters are employed, making depth a necessity. :thumbsup:

Again, your logic is trash.
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Ok, so you're against a playoff, despite every other freaking team sport, pro or college, employing one.
 
#102
#102
Bumi said:
And both, due to lackluster recruiting, never have and likely never will, win a title. Unless of course things change on the recruiting side.

Are you serious!?

Yeah. OK. The BCS sat around in a room looked at 13-0 Utah or 13-0 Boise State and then said "You know why we aren't going to let them play in the title game? Because they weren't in the Top 25 recruiting wise the last few years." Puh-lease.

Conference Affiliation. That's the only reason why any of those teams didn't go to the title game.


There's a reason non BCS teams don't get a crack at the title. Hawaii in 07.

There's a reason a two loss LSU team gets the nod over Hawaii. Their schedules is considerably more difficult than those of a Utah, Boise state, or Hawaii.

Utah has no gripe in 08. They clearly weren't as good as Florida.



Florida grew as the state population in Florida grew. The same with LSU. Once both schools established excellent recruiting bases, they flourished.

As I said, the difference between Oregon and Florida is recruiting. That's pretty much it.




Ridiculous you say?

#1 Ranked Recruiting Classes

2010 - Florida
2009 - Alabama
2008 - Alabama
2007 - Florida
2006 - USC
2005 - USC
2004 - USC
2003 - LSU
2002 - Texas

National Champions

2009 - Alabama
2008 - Florida
2007 - LSU
2006 - Florida
2005 - Texas
2004 - USC
2003 - USC/LSU

Recruiting really doesn't matter huh?

Everybody has a BCS gripe. Auburn in 03. Doesn't change the fact that the record books don't record a NC. As I've said, Oregon is a good program, but unless they learn how to recruit they'll be looked at in a similar light as Virgina Tech is in the east.
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I'm not arguing that recruiting has nothing to do with titles. I'm simply saying that just because a team hasn't won any titles or raked in a Top 5 recruiting class recently doesn't mean they will NEVER eventually do so. ESPECIALLY when that program has enjoyed a lot of success in the last 5 years, as I don't think anybody can argue we haven't.

Take a nothing program. Give it coaches. Facilities. Money. Fans. They'll probably become more successful... And recruiting will improve. Maybe then you get some more donors, sign a better coach or coordinators. Then some more success, then more recruiting.

Remove any part of it, and the wheels fall off. Plenty of #1 ranked recruiting classes have struck out. Just like plenty of brilliant coaches and passionate fan bases or great facilities have gone all for naught.

Coaches. Facilities. Fans. Recruiting. ALL of that factors into Championship teams. Also... a little bit of luck. Oregon avoids an ACL tear or the BCS isn't so screwed up and your looking at 2 national title appearances right there. Possibly a win.

Listen, all I'm trying to say is Oregon has great coaches right now. We have a very passionate fan base that gives us one of the best home field advantages in the country and allows us to travel very well to any game in the country. We have (arguably) the best facilities in the country. We have alumni who pour hundreds of millions of dollars into the program at the drop of the hat. No, we haven't cracked the Top 10 of recruiting classes but we're not far off recently (12th last year) but whose to say that doesn't change in the next few years with all that Oregon has to offer?
 
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#103
DuckinTN said:
It's debatable. Point nonwithstanding, Ainge was a damn good quarterback from....Oregon.
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Too bad Oregon can't recruit, or perhaps they would've gotten Ainge, Ndamukong Suh, and Owamagbe Odighizuwa.

(Though I'm not quite sure how home grown Oregon talent going across the country to play elsewhere supports your stance)
 
#105
#105
Bumi said:
Too bad Oregon can't recruit, or perhaps they would've gotten Ainge, Ndamukong Suh, and Owamagbe Odighizuwa.

(Though I'm not quite sure how home grown Oregon talent going across the country to play elsewhere supports your stance)
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Yeah. It's really funny how Jerrard Randall chose Oregon over Florida, FSU, SCe, Ohio St., etc., being a Florida/East Coast guy and all.

It's also hilarious how we raid Texas for people such as LaMichael, Darron, Lache Seastrunk, etc.
 
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#106
Nightowl said:
I'm not arguing that recruiting has nothing to do with titles. I'm simply saying that just because a team hasn't won any titles or raked in a Top 5 recruiting class recently doesn't mean they will NEVER eventually do so. ESPECIALLY when that program has enjoyed a lot of success in the last 5 years, as I don't think anybody can argue we haven't.

Take a nothing program. Give it coaches. Facilities. Money. Fans. They'll probably become more successful... And recruiting will improve. Maybe then you get some more donors, sign a better coach or coordinators. Then some more success, then more recruiting.

Remove any part of it, and the wheels fall off. Plenty of #1 ranked recruiting classes have struck out. Just like plenty of brilliant coaches and passionate fan bases or great facilities have gone all for naught.

Coaches. Facilities. Fans. Recruiting. ALL of that factors into Championship teams. Also... a little bit of luck. Oregon avoids an ACL tear or the BCS isn't so screwed up and your looking at 2 national title appearances right there. Possibly a win.

Listen, all I'm trying to say is Oregon has great coaches right now. We have a very passionate fan base that gives us one of the best home field advantages in the country and allows us to travel very well to any game in the country. We have (arguably) the best facilities in the country. We have alumni who pour hundreds of millions of dollars into the program at the drop of the hat. No, we haven't cracked the Top 10 of recruiting classes but we're not far off recently (12th last year) but whose to say that doesn't change in the next few years with all that Oregon has to offer?
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I've never once argued against Oregon being a good program. My stance is this. Unless Oregon starts consistently finishing within the top 10 of recruiting rankings, they won't win a national title. That's my only point.
 
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#108
Bumi said:
The Oregon's, Boise State's, Utah's, and TCU's of the world would not benefit from a playoff.
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That's pure conjecture.

The Oregon's, Boise State's, Utah's and TCU's of the world are a combined 5-2 in BCS Games. And 1 of the 2 came to a team in the group.
 
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#110
Nightowl said:
That's pure conjecture.

The Oregon's, Boise State's, Utah's and TCU's of the world are a combined 5-2 in BCS Games. And 1 of the 2 came to a team in the group.
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Yeah, those lowly schools that can't recruit sure are bad.

Titus Young of Boise State is from LA. I bet USC wishes they would have recruited him.
 
#111
#111
DuckinTN said:
I honestly never watched Clausen. You'd seem to think that the quarterback out of the two that ever made an NFL roster would be the better one (well, more talented, anyway)
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Clausen was a much better QB. He didn't have the arm strength to make it in the NFL. Ainge has all the tools to make, but continues to be a drug abusing head-case. The Jets took a chance. He's never even been activated on their roster.
 
#112
#112
DuckinTN said:
Yeah. It's really funny how Jerrard Randall chose Oregon over Florida, FSU, SCe, Ohio St., etc., being a Florida/East Coast guy and all.

It's also hilarious how we raid Texas for people such as LaMichael, Darron, Lache Seastrunk, etc.
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Lmao, Jerrard Randall? Jerrard Randall was never recruited by Florida(Not at QB) nor did he ever receive an offer. And why would they need him when they've got the #1 QB in the 11 class? Ohio State also landed a QB(In state talent, Oregon can't seem to lock up their talent), ranked ahead of Randall.

SOS didn't extend an offer.

I don't know about FSU.

Raid Texas? Lmao, yeah, Texas recruiting efforts are really damaged by Oregon grabbing a decent recruit here and there. Garrett Gilbert > Darron Thomas in recruiting services.
 
#113
#113
Bumi said:
Lmao, Jerrard Randall? Jerrard Randall was never recruited by Florida(Not at QB) nor did he ever receive an offer. And why would they need him when they've got the #1 QB in the 11 class? Ohio State also landed a QB(In state talent, Oregon can't seem to lock up their talent), ranked ahead of Randall.

SOS didn't extend an offer.

I don't know about FSU.

Raid Texas? Lmao, yeah, Texas recruiting efforts are really damaged by Oregon grabbing a decent recruit here and there. Garrett Gilbert > Darron Thomas in recruiting services.
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Right, like we would have ever gone after Gilbert. We're desperately needing pro-style QBs, don't you know?
 
#114
#114
Nightowl said:
That's pure conjecture.

The Oregon's, Boise State's, Utah's and TCU's of the world are a combined 5-2 in BCS Games. And 1 of the 2 came to a team in the group.
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Those are all good football teams. It makes things a little more even when you have a month or more to prepare for a single game. With exception to Oregon, in a tougher conference or with a playoff, those teams wouldn't have that luxury. Both of those formats favor the team with more depth.
 
#115
#115
Nightowl said:
That's pure conjecture.

The Oregon's, Boise State's, Utah's and TCU's of the world are a combined 5-2 in BCS Games. And 1 of the 2 came to a team in the group.
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Well, at least two of those wins came against one another with TCU and BSU beating one another in BCS bowl games.

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And one of Utah's wins came against Pitt, a team who'd probably never see a playoff.

BSU, TCU, and Utah's(you can throw Oregon in there if you want), wouldn't be able to compete with the Alabama, Ohio State, and Florida caliber programs on a weekly basis. They don't have the depth.
 
#116
#116
Bumi said:
Well, at least two of those wins came against one another with TCU and BSU beating one another in BCS bowl games.

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And one of Utah's wins came against Pitt, a team who'd probably never see a playoff.

BSU, TCU, and Utah's(you can throw Oregon in there if you want), wouldn't be able to compete with the Alabama, Ohio State, and Florida caliber programs on a weekly basis. They don't have the depth.
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Oregon has depth. We wouldn't be able to able to play at such a frenetic pace at a high level if we didn't.
 
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#117
10essee Refugee said:
Those are all good football teams. It makes things a little more even when you have a month or more to prepare for a single game. With exception to Oregon, in a tougher conference or with a playoff, those teams wouldn't have that luxury. Both of those formats favor the team with more depth.
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That's what these dudes don't realize. Yeah, Boise State can perform at a high level for a game or two, but championships are run off depth. Teams like Alabama and Florida have the luxury of substituting 5* athletes with 5* athletes and moving on without a dip in performance.
 
#118
#118
DuckinTN said:
Right, like we would have ever gone after Gilbert. We're desperately needing pro-style QBs, don't you know?
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Did I say Oregon was after Gilbert, or did I say Texas wasn't worried about you getting Darron Thomas because they can attract recruits like Gilbert?

And what exactly is Nate Costa?
 
#119
#119
Bumi said:
Did I say Oregon was after Gilbert, or did I say Texas wasn't worried about you getting Darron Thomas because they can attract recruits like Gilbert?

And what exactly is Nate Costa?
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A guy that came to Oregon before we started running Kelly's version of the spread. Costa was recruited as a dual threat QB, anyway. Was faster than DT in the 40 during spring.
 
#120
#120
DuckinTN said:
Oregon has depth. We wouldn't be able to able to play at such a frenetic pace at a high level if we didn't.
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Oregon doesn't have depth. When Casey Matthews gets hurt, you'll see a drastic drop off in talent. When Jon Bostic gets hurt, Florida plugs in Jelani Jenkins, another 5* LB.
 
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#122
Bumi said:
Oregon doesn't have depth. When Casey Matthews gets hurt, you'll see a drastic drop off in talent. When Jon Bostic gets hurt, Florida plugs in Jelani Jenkins, another 5* LB.
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Yeah, let's use one specific position to attempt to qualify an argument. That works.
 
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#125
DuckinTN said:
He was recruited as a dual threat. Ran a faster 40 yard dash in the spring than Darron.
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I don't much care if he ran a 4.2, he clearly isn't out there to run the rock. And to be honest, Darron Thomas isn't scaring anyone with his legs either.
 
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