Ducks sign Chip Kelly to new 6-year contract

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DuckinTN said:
So why didn't Florida's depth annihilate Tennessee like Oregon's did?
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Why didn't Oregon's depth annihilate ASU, whereas Florida's depth dominated Kentucky?

Oregon and Florida scored the same amount of offensive TD's btw, and Florida gave up less total yards. :ermm:

Florida is also much younger than Oregon.

But either way you cut it, Florida is literally better than Oregon at every position other than RB, and even there, Florida is deeper. Same With Alabama, except I'd argue that Alabama is better than Oregon at every position including RB.
 
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Bumi said:
Why didn't Oregon's depth annihilate ASU, whereas Florida's depth dominated Kentucky?

Oregon and Florida scored the same amount of offensive TD's btw, and Florida gave up less total yards. :ermm:

Florida is also much younger than Oregon.

But either way you cut it, Florida is literally better than Oregon at every position other than RB, and even there, Florida is deeper. Same With Alabama, except I'd argue that Alabama is better than Oregon at every position including RB.
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How is Florida deeper at running back?!? You are certifiably moronic.
 
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DuckinTN said:
How is Florida deeper at running back?!? You are certifiably moronic.
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Florida
1. Jeff Demps 4*
2. Mike Gillislee 4*
3. Manny Moody 5*
4. Mack Brown 4*

And then there's RB hybrid Chris Rainey 4*.

Oregon
1. LaMichael James 4*
2. Kenjon Barner 3*
3. Remene Alston 3*

Please, you've been kicked around enough for one day. Don't try and argue in favor of Oregon's depth.
 
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Bumi said:
Well, at least two of those wins came against one another with TCU and BSU beating one another in BCS bowl games.

3-2

And one of Utah's wins came against Pitt, a team who'd probably never see a playoff.

BSU, TCU, and Utah's(you can throw Oregon in there if you want), wouldn't be able to compete with the Alabama, Ohio State, and Florida caliber programs on a weekly basis. They don't have the depth.
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Your just flatly wrong with your "2 wins against each other statement." In terms of teams in the mentioned group versus teams not in it...

Oregon 1-1 (Beat Colorado, Lost to Ohio State)
Boise State 1-0 (Beat Oklahoma)
Utah 2-0 (Beat 'Bama and Pitt)

4-2. Don't count Pitt? Fine. 3-2, Whatever. Any way you try and slice or dice this the bottom line is this...

In BS Games, they win them more often then they lose.

So it's a HIGHLY debatable statement to say that a "playoff wouldn't favor these teams."
 
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Nightowl said:
Your just flatly wrong with your "2 wins against each other statement." In terms of teams in the mentioned group versus teams not in it...

Oregon 1-1 (Beat Colorado, Lost to Ohio State)
Boise State 1-0 (Beat Oklahoma)
Utah 2-0 (Beat 'Bama and Pitt)

4-2. Don't count Pitt? Fine. 3-2, Whatever. Any way you try and slice or dice this the bottom line is this...

In BS Games, they win them more often then they lose.

So it's a HIGHLY debatable statement to say that a "playoff wouldn't favor these teams."
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I just said 3-2.

Of course you can debate it, but it'd be faulty at best. They simply don't have the depth to survive encounters with elite teams in consecutive weeks.
 
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#132
The difference between Oregon and the formerly nothing programs that resurrected themselves into national powers is that those who have are all directly surrounded hotbeds of at least some magnitude of high-level talent.

When you're talking about HS talent in Oregon, Washington and Idaho, you're talking about maybe a dozen (a dozen and a half on a great year) total HS players who could develop into starters for any Pac-10 school not named Washington State.

Long-term, when USC gets off probation and gets back on top, which they will, the rest of the Pac-10 will be left to fend for scraps from the Trojans and capable 2/3 star talent that may have been glossed over due to low income or remote locale. Our very own Vols are figuring this out right now; That may be a great way to come across an unsung star every now and then, but it has never and will never be a way to build an elite program. Those programs get top ten classes every year.

I listen to the radio here, Oregon fans are clearly starting to demand of Chip Kelly a program that will be in the mix for the national title on an annual basis. For that to happen, they will have to, long-term, go into USC's and Texas' back yards and at least split or beat the Trojans and Longhorns out for those areas' talent. When those programs are up, they will get those recruits. End of discussion.

Unless the state of Oregon miraculously quadruples the number of quality HS football players, and it won't (look up the percentage of African-American population in the state; most of them are in north and east Portland, the only high-end football programs are in wealthy white areas), Duck fans have no right whatsoever to expect anything more than being in the national championship discussion by seasons end more than maybe once a decade.

Ending up in the top 3 of the Pac-10 on an annual basis should be the goal of Duck fans. Regular contenders are not comprised of juco transfers and scraps of an elite program that is 800 miles away.
 
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milohimself said:
The difference between Oregon and the formerly nothing programs that resurrected themselves into national powers is that those who have are all directly surrounded hotbeds of at least some magnitude of high-level talent.

When you're talking about HS talent in Oregon, Washington and Idaho, you're talking about maybe a dozen (a dozen and a half on a great year) total HS players who could develop into starters for any Pac-10 school not named Washington State.

Long-term, when USC gets off probation and gets back on top, which they will, the rest of the Pac-10 will be left to fend for scraps from the Trojans and capable 2/3 star talent that may have been glossed over due to low income or remote locale. Our very own Vols are figuring this out right now; That may be a great way to come across an unsung star every now and then, but it has never and will never be a way to build an elite program. Those programs get top ten classes every year.

I listen to the radio here, Oregon fans are clearly starting to demand of Chip Kelly a program that will be in the mix for the national title on an annual basis. For that to happen, they will have to, long-term, go into USC's and Texas' back yards and at least split or beat the Trojans and Longhorns out for those areas' talent. When those programs are up, they will get those recruits. End of discussion.

Unless the state of Oregon miraculously quadruples the number of quality HS football players, and it won't (look up the percentage of African-American population in the state; most of them are in north and east Portland, the only high-end football programs are in wealthy white areas), Duck fans have no right whatsoever to expect anything more than being in the national championship discussion by seasons end more than maybe once a decade.

Ending up in the top 3 of the Pac-10 on an annual basis should be the goal of Duck fans. Regular contenders are not comprised of juco transfers and scraps of an elite program that is 800 miles away.
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Yep. Good post.
 
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#134
Hey bumi, I truly hope you run your mouth off in class at Oregon. I think you would enjoy the debate and other invites it will get you.
 
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#136
This a good example of s thread where a lot of people have way too much time on their hands.

Duckintenn has been proven wrong a few times but continues to call others morons.

I vote him for the biggest douche of the year.

Oregon is definitely solid this year, but who knows if that will last. Not sure how they can make a national championship when there is a better team a state away that embarrassed them two years in a row.
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And being a PAC 10 fan, I get extremely nervous with the prospect of Oregon repping said conference as they have a recent history of ****ting the bed in big games.
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Vols520 said:
And being a PAC 10 fan, I get extremely nervous with the prospect of Oregon repping said conference as they have a recent history of ****ting the bed in big games.
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Typically those games are on the road. This is the 4th year in a row the Ducks have played in a top ten matchup at home......they are 3-0 in said matchups. This will be the third time gameday was there in those matchups. The home crowd says Oregon wins.

Bumi, there is reality and then there is your reality. All I see you do is talk crap a team you supposedly like, well from where I am reading it doesn't seem that way at all. The reality is yes many of the things you have said are true but it isn't as brutal as that or as bad. You act like this team hasn't been close at all or hasn't been one of the better programs lately. Their recruiting is getting better and better. Have you seen the list of the guys that will be in attendance this saturday? Not a single one is from Cali which was always our bread and butter. Hawaii, Ohio, Kentucky, Florida, Georgia, and Texas are the states being represented by the recruits coming. It has never been this way before on this level, Oregon is extending their reach and are gettting in doors that were never available to them. Give them a little credit and some more time and I think you will be surprised. Chip Kelly can now tell kids and parents alike he will be there for some time. Of course only true fans who don't talk **** about them along the way deserve to share in the excitement of being the best, when that time comes. Just a matter of time.....when that time comes we don't need people jumping on board and being two faced fans:good!:
 
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Vols520 said:
And being a PAC 10 fan, I get extremely nervous with the prospect of Oregon repping said conference as they have a recent history of ****ting the bed in big games.
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:huh:

In the last 3 years, Oregon's played Top 10 vs. Top 10 regular season games exactly three times...

#4 USC @ #10 Oregon. 47-20, Ducks
#5 USC @ #9 Oregon. 24-17, Ducks
#5 ASU @ #4 Oregon. 35-23, Ducks
 
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Nightowl said:
:huh:

In the last 3 years, Oregon's played Top 10 vs. Top 10 regular season games exactly three times...

#4 USC @ #10 Oregon. 47-20, Ducks
#5 USC @ #9 Oregon. 24-17, Ducks
#5 ASU @ #4 Oregon. 35-23, Ducks
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Out of conference games. Smoked by boise state twice and embarrassed in the rose bowl. Don't put a smiley face when u are wrong.
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PortlandDuck said:
Typically those games are on the road. This is the 4th year in a row the Ducks have played in a top ten matchup at home......they are 3-0 in said matchups. This will be the third time gameday was there in those matchups. The home crowd says Oregon wins.

Bumi, there is reality and then there is your reality. All I see you do is talk crap a team you supposedly like, well from where I am reading it doesn't seem that way at all. The reality is yes many of the things you have said are true but it isn't as brutal as that or as bad. You act like this team hasn't been close at all or hasn't been one of the better programs lately. Their recruiting is getting better and better. Have you seen the list of the guys that will be in attendance this saturday? Not a single one is from Cali which was always our bread and butter. Hawaii, Ohio, Kentucky, Florida, Georgia, and Texas are the states being represented by the recruits coming. It has never been this way before on this level, Oregon is extending their reach and are gettting in doors that were never available to them. Give them a little credit and some more time and I think you will be surprised. Chip Kelly can now tell kids and parents alike he will be there for some time. Of course only true fans who don't talk **** about them along the way deserve to share in the excitement of being the best, when that time comes. Just a matter of time.....when that time comes we don't need people jumping on board and being two faced fans:good!:
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I've already said Oregon is a good program. Outside of SC, they're the best in the PAC-10, but they aren't an elite program, nor will they ever be unless some drastic improvements are made in recruiting. They'll be in national title talks every now and then, but the chances of them winning won are slim to none. And that's the reality of it.
 
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Vols520 said:
Out of conference games. Smoked by boise state twice and embarrassed in the rose bowl. Don't put a smiley face when u are wrong.
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In or out of conference, whatever. 3-0 against Top 10 teams in the regular season. Not exactly choke worthy.

Also, if you insist on going down that road then you need to mention UO snapping the longest win streak in the country last year against an OOC Opponent. Your also forgetting Oregon handing a UM team that went on to beat a Top 10 Florida the worst home loss in their history.
 
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Nightowl said:
In or out of conference, whatever. 3-0 against Top 10 teams in the regular season. Not exactly choke worthy.

Also, if you insist on going down that road then you need to mention UO snapping the longest win streak in the country last year against an OOC Opponent. Your also forgetting Oregon handing a UM team that went on to beat a Top 10 Florida the worst home loss in their history.
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Huh?
 
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milohimself said:
The ducks annihilated michigan in Ann arbor the same year the wolverines beat a highly ranked Florida squad in their bowl game.
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Ah. The always solid transitive property of football.

That UF team lost quite a few. In fact, they let our sorry squad stumble into the title game. As boneheaded as the transitive property is, it's even lamer when using a meaningless exhibition game.
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BigPapaVol said:
Ah. The always solid transitive property of football.

That UF team lost quite a few. In fact, they let our sorry squad stumble into the title game. As boneheaded as the transitive property is, it's even lamer when using a meaningless exhibition game.
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The transitive property would be if I stated that Oregon was better then Florida because we beat Michigan who beat Florida. That's not what I said.

I merely pointed out that Oregon has several (including the UM game) OOC wins that were quality to counter somebody else's point about such games not existing.

I pointed out that UM beat Florida because I've noticed alot of people on this board have a tendency to denigrate every win ever made in the history of the Oregon football by claiming that the team we beat was overrated.

Apparently. Oregon has never once, in all of recorded history, defeated a legitimate Top 10 team. They were always overrated. Always.

Remarkably inconvenient for us.
 
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Nightowl said:
The transitive property would be if I stated that Oregon was better then Florida because we beat Michigan who beat Florida. That's not what I said.

I merely pointed out that Oregon has several (including the UM game) OOC wins that were quality to counter somebody else's point about such games not existing.

I pointed out that UM beat Florida because I've noticed alot of people on this board have a tendency to denigrate every win ever made in the history of the Oregon football by claiming that the team we beat was overrated.

Apparently. Oregon has never once, in all of recorded history, defeated a legitimate Top 10 team. They were always overrated. Always.

Remarkably inconvenient for us.
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I misread what you posted, my apologies. And I understand your point, though the 07 Gator team wasn't very good due to the sheer amount of players that got shifted to the draft after 06. It was practically an entire team of new faces.

And it isn't that Oregon doesn't have decent OOC wins, it's that they tend to choke on the national stage. Losing to Ohio State and Boise last season, Boise in 08, having an overall losing bowl record, never having won a Rose Bowl, etc.
 
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Bumi said:
And it isn't that Oregon doesn't have decent OOC wins, it's that they tend to choke on the national stage. Losing to Ohio State and Boise last season, Boise in 08, having an overall losing bowl record, never having won a Rose Bowl, etc.
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I just don't get the choke on the national stage argument. Here's a good example... GameDay games. I don't think anybody can argue that the game College GameDay films at and highlights in national primetime isn't the national stage...

In the last decade, we're 5-1 on that stage. All against teams in the Top 10. Now I just want one person to explain to me how a team that is choke prone puts that record together? Because I, frankly, have no idea.

Also, yeah... we lost the Rose Bowl. We also won a conference title in '01 and won the BCS Bowl we went to. 1-1 in the BCS. Pretty much every member of this board always forgets to mention Oregon's prior BCS WIN when they make the "choke on big stage" argument. Again... Incredibly convenient.

I'm just tired of people not giving credit for wins. We've gotten beat on the big stage before, yes, of course. So has pretty much every that has EVER played college football. We also have a record of winning some pretty big games too, more then we lose in fact.
 
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Nightowl said:
I just don't get the choke on the national stage argument. Here's a good example... GameDay games. I don't think anybody can argue that the game College GameDay films at and highlights in national primetime isn't the national stage...

In the last decade, we're 5-1 on that stage. All against teams in the Top 10. Now I just want one person to explain to me how a team that is choke prone puts that record together? Because I, frankly, have no idea.

Also, yeah... we lost the Rose Bowl. We also won a conference title in '01 and won the BCS Bowl we went to. 1-1 in the BCS. Pretty much every member of this board always forgets to mention Oregon's prior BCS WIN when they make the "choke on big stage" argument. Again... Incredibly convenient.

I'm just tired of people not giving credit for wins. We've gotten beat on the big stage before, yes, of course. So has pretty much every that has EVER played college football. We also have a record of winning some pretty big games too, more then we lose in fact.
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Not just the national stage, but rather the national stage against legit OOC opponents. The recent perception is that Oregon can't get it done, and the perception will remain as such until the Ducks prove otherwise. I believe they'll get their chance in another BCS game this year.
 
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