Dwight Howard "upset" about Tobias Harris wearing #12

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MannyD said:
Well that qualifier certainly invalidates the accomplishment now doesn't it.

Let's be honest, you're down on Tobias because he left after one season and not because of his production.
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No, it just clarifies an incorrect statement.

I'm not even slightly down on Tobias. He's a VFL all the way. But I think he'll be a better pro player than he was a college player. I'm just trying to be realistic about what he accomplished during his season at Tennessee.
 
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sport3500 said:
Why did Gray transfer?
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I think Goobie is right. A combination of homesickness and general dislike for O'Neill. He was from the west coast as I remember, and wound up at Cal where he averaged 24 ppg in his final season there. He was a stud. Also averaged 15 ppg at UT as a freshman.
 
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ejvols4 said:
No, it just clarifies an incorrect statement.

I'm not even slightly down on Tobias. He's a VFL all the way. But I think he'll be a better pro player than he was a college player. I'm just trying to be realistic about what he accomplished during his season at Tennessee.
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One of the best statistical freshman campaigns in school history. Not his fault the coach he signed with threw that season in the toilet bowl.
 
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If Howard wanted to keep the 12 jersey intact in Orlando he should have stuck around. F-him. Good luck Houston.
 
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ejvols4 said:
He was the #4 overall recruit in the country. So yes, maybe my expectations were skewed a little by the hype, but considering he was in the same top 10 as Kyrie Irving, Harrison Barnes and Jared Sullinger, pardon me for being a little disappointed by what he did during his season here.
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You were disappointed by what Tobias did his freshman year in comparison to Harrison Barnes? Check the numbers, Tobias had a better freshman year than Barnes.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You were disappointed by what Tobias did his freshman year in comparison to Harrison Barnes? Check the numbers, Tobias had a better freshman year than Barnes.
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I never said anything like that. Also, I did check the numbers and they're basically equivalent. (outside of higher FG% and RPG numbers, which you'd expect from someone playing the point forward)

Harrison Barnes Freshman Season

GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG BPG PPG
37 36 29.4 .423 .344 .750 5.8 1.4 0.4 15.7

Tobias Harris Freshman Season

GP-GS Min/Gm FG% 3Pt % FT% RPG APG BPG PPG
34-33 29.2 .460 .303 .753 7.3 1.3 0.9 15.3
 
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ejvols4 said:
I never said anything like that. Also, I did check the numbers and they're basically equivalent. (outside of higher FG% and RPG numbers, which you'd expect from someone playing the point forward)

Harrison Barnes Freshman Season

GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG BPG PPG
37 36 29.4 .423 .344 .750 5.8 1.4 0.4 15.7

Tobias Harris Freshman Season

GP-GS Min/Gm FG% 3Pt % FT% RPG APG BPG PPG
34-33 29.2 .460 .303 .753 7.3 1.3 0.9 15.3
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Exactly. You said you were disappointed in Harris in comparison to being in the same class as Harrison Barnes, therefore comparing the two. When in reality Harris had better numbers if anything than Barnes, yet you're using Barnes as evidence of why you were disappointed in Harris.
 
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ejvols4 said:
That entire season was just a major disappointment in general.

He was good his freshman year, but the talk around VN makes it sound like Harris had some legendary freshman year. You could see he had the talent all year, but then he'd have games like that College of Charleston debacle that just left you scratching your head. He was a very raw player during his time at UT.
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Tobias had games like that or the entire team? The entire team failed to play against Oakland, USC, Charlotte and Charleston. Tobias almost put up a double double against CoC he had 16pts and 8 rbds. So I don't know where that's coming from.

Serious question, how good were you expecting Tobias to be? Of course VN will overhype a 5-star like they usually do. 15.3ppg is as good as any.
 
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iKrager said:
Define disappointing. He averaged 15.3ppg as a freshmen... That's pretty damn impressive.
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Very true iK, my only question mark on Tobias his Freshman year was that he wasn't an impact or game changer. He was solid in many areas, but unlike a Kevin Durant or DRose. I remember him missing a few shots in games that we could have won or the momentum would have changed. Really felt had he and Scotty came back the next year under CCM both would have increased their draft stock. Mute point as Tobias has improved since he got in the Association. Overall, I wasn't disappointed in his Freshman year.
 
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SlyStone said:
Very true iK, my only question mark on Tobias his Freshman year was that he wasn't an impact or game changer. He was solid in many areas, but unlike a Kevin Durant or DRose. I remember him missing a few shots in games that we could have won or the momentum would have changed. Really felt had he and Scotty came back the next year under CCM both would have increased their draft stock. Mute point as Tobias has improved since he got in the Association. Overall, I wasn't disappointed in his Freshman year.
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Haven't posted in a good while, but I will share my opinion on this. The previous team's "near" run to the final four had a significant impact on Harris becoming a "game changer". It's difficult for a freshman to gain trust from upperclassmen to begin with, but when you have players who were already successful without said "hyped" freshman the year before its not difficult to understand why they wouldn't be so quick to defer. Throw in NBA aspirations with closing windows and it becomes real difficult
 
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NYTERP34 said:
Haven't posted in a good while, but I will share my opinion on this. The previous team's "near" run to the final four had a significant impact on Harris becoming a "game changer". It's difficult for a freshman to gain trust from upperclassmen to begin with, but when you have players who were already successful without said "hyped" freshman the year before its not difficult to understand why they wouldn't be so quick to defer. Throw in NBA aspirations with closing windows and it becomes real difficult
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Never thought about it, but it makes since, and another thing, anyone who thinks Tobias Harris freshman year was a disappointment is crazy. The dude is a beast and one of the best to put on the orange. I can't believe some said he was a disappointment SMH
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Exactly. You said you were disappointed in Harris in comparison to being in the same class as Harrison Barnes, therefore comparing the two. When in reality Harris had better numbers if anything than Barnes, yet you're using Barnes as evidence of why you were disappointed in Harris.
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Their numbers were pretty equivalent. The difference is that Harrison Barnes had the ability to put that UNC team on his back when the team needed it. Look at the VT game from that season. Tobias was a good player whose play was excellent for a freshman, but he lacked the ability to take over the game (as a poster mentioned above).

You're nitpicking and getting away from the point I was trying to get across. I guess the top five ranking and ensuing hype made me think he'd be a game breaking talent, when the reality was that his game wasn't at that point during his time at UT. He was a quality player who played his role at an extremely high level for a freshman. He was never a game changer like Sullinger, Barnes or Irving (in limited time) truly was.
 
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ejvols4 said:
Their numbers were pretty equivalent. The difference is that Harrison Barnes had the ability to put that UNC team on his back when the team needed it. Look at the VT game from that season. Tobias was a good player whose play was excellent for a freshman, but he lacked the ability to take over the game (as a poster mentioned above).

You're nitpicking and getting away from the point I was trying to get across. I guess the top five ranking and ensuing hype made me think he'd be a game breaking talent, when the reality was that his game wasn't at that point during his time at UT. He was a quality player who played his role at an extremely high level for a freshman. He was never a game changer like Sullinger, Barnes or Irving (in limited time) truly was.
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Harrison Barnes had a habit his freshman year of ATTEMPTING to put his team on his back when they totally didn't need to. He often looked like a selfish player who took horrible shots who was not concerned with much more than auditioning for the NBA. Harrison Barnes was NOT the game changer you are trying to make him out to be.

In fact there is a large portion of the UNC fan base that was HAPPY when he left
 
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NYTERP34 said:
Harrison Barnes had a habit his freshman year of ATTEMPTING to put his team on his back when they totally didn't need to. He often looked like a selfish player who took horrible shots who was not concerned with much more than auditioning for the NBA. Harrison Barnes was NOT the game changer you are trying to make him out to be.

In fact there is a large portion of the UNC fan base that was HAPPY when he left
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That's valid, and I in no way intended for this to turn in to a Harrison Barnes love fest. But what I was trying to get across was that Harris lacked gamebreaking ability. Something that Barnes, Sullinger and Irving never lacked. You expect gamebreaking ability from someone who was a top ten recruit.

I'm tired of this silly argument though. Harris was a great Vol and will be a quality pro player.
 
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ejvols4 said:
That's valid, and I in no way intended for this to turn in to a Harrison Barnes love fest. But what I was trying to get across was that Harris lacked gamebreaking ability. Something that Barnes, Sullinger and Irving never lacked. You expect gamebreaking ability from someone who was a top ten recruit.

I'm tired of this silly argument though. Harris was a great Vol and will be a quality pro player.
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I am going to argue mis-managemnt of assets. Not sure Harris was in a situation (see my above post) that was most conducive to him displaying his "gamebreaking" ability.

In comparison, someone like Cal has been known to make players who didn't even really have true "Gamebreaking" ability look like they do.

I'll tell you what though, had Harris had the green-light the same way he had the first half of that embarrassing first round loss to Michigan, I'm not sure we'd even be having this argument
 
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If Tobias Harris has a long and successful NBA career, he might have his number retired by UT someday.
 
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sport3500 said:
If Tobias Harris has a long and successful NBA career, he might have his number retired by UT someday.
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I agree with this. I don't think people understand this. If TH12 becomes a nba all star he'll be a great ambassador for UT, and depending on his career he might become a top 5 vol of all time.
 
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On Wednesday, Tobias Harris – the player who now wears No. 12 for the Magic – stressed that he wears the number for all the right reasons and that he never meant any disrespect to Howard’s legacy in Orlando.

Upon getting traded to Orlando last February, Harris requested No. 12 as a way to honor former teammate Morgan Childs, who died of leukemia when Harris was a high school sophomore in New York. It was the number that Childs once wore and Harris made a promise to his father, Torrel, the day he left the funeral that he would wear the number if he ever made it to the NBA.

Harris wore No. 12 throughout high school and in college at the University of Tennessee. He couldn’t do so with the Milwaukee Bucks because No. 12 was assigned to Luc Mbaha a Moute at the time. The trade to Orlando gave Harris another shot at snagging the sentimental number – and never did he know that it would create such a controversy because of the history tied to Howard.

“I wear the number for my best friend who passed away. That’s my story and there’s really nothing else to it,’’ Harris said. “I’m not about the number or the name on the back; I’m about the name on the front and that’s the Orlando Magic.

“I wore 12 in high school and college, and to me it was something to keep me at peace and let me know that my best friend is still with me to this day,’’ Harris continued. “It’s just the number that I wear and I don’t look too much into (the controversy). I focus on us as a basketball team and my teammates and nothing else.’’
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Dwight should take a page from the good book of Harris.

Harris Explains Why The #12 is Soo Special To Him | Tobias Harris Official Website - #12 Orlando Magic Forward
 
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