Early look at next year's SEC (Subject to change)

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#53
Based on CCM's interview with Jimmy and John yesterday on the Sports Animal, look for a few Div 2 teams to show up on UT's schedule either this year or the years to come. These would take the place of the very low end Div 1 schools like Kennesaw St and Presbyterian that UT played this year.
 
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zansdad said:
Based on CCM's interview with Jimmy and John yesterday on the Sports Animal, look for a few Div 2 teams to show up on UT's schedule either this year or the years to come. These would take the place of the very low end Div 1 schools like Kennesaw St and Presbyterian that UT played this year.
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Taking a page out of the MWC teams book huh? These games don't count against your RPI, not a bad idea.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Taking a page out of the MWC teams book huh? These games don't count against your RPI, not a bad idea.
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I think it shows 2 things.

1) that the RPI can be manipulated (according to Hyam's during the interview, MWC schools played 14 games against Div 2 schools)

2) CCM is aware that RPI numbers are important to the committee and that scheduling over the last 2 years has played at least some role in UT's RPI struggles.

Edit: and yes, they specifically noted how the MWC used Div 2 games to have easier opponents on their schedule but not take RPI hits from doing so. Paraphrasing Martin, if it comes down to playing a Div 2 school that doesn't hurt RPI or playing a sub 250 Div 1 school, in the future they will lean towards playing the Div 2 school.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Taking a page out of the MWC teams book huh? These games don't count against your RPI, not a bad idea.
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Could make it harder to get to 20 wins in regular season play though.
Not too sure about Martin's scheduling savy.
 
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calban said:
Could make it harder to get to 20 wins in regular season play though.
Not too sure about Martin's scheduling savy.
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If UT had played two Division 2 schools instead of Kennesaw St and Presbyterian their RPI would have only shown 18 wins on selection Sunday but their RPI would have been higher. Those 2 teams were both sub 300 and counted heavily against UT. Play 2 Div 2 schools instead and there is no hit to the RPI. The committee has shown that 20 wins is not that important a plateau anymore. (good or bad).

The biggest thing is if this type of thing becomes prevalent in all conferences. If other conferences start doing what the MWC did and schedule Div 2 instead of lower Div 1 schools, then the SEC will have to do so as well or the conferences' SOS will fall even further behind than it is now.
 
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zansdad said:
If UT had played two Division 2 schools instead of Kennesaw St and Presbyterian their RPI would have only shown 18 wins on selection Sunday but their RPI would have been higher. Those 2 teams were both sub 300 and counted heavily against UT. Play 2 Div 2 schools instead and there is no hit to the RPI. The committee has shown that 20 wins is not that important a plateau anymore. (good or bad).

The biggest thing is if this type of thing becomes prevalent in all conferences. If other conferences start doing what the MWC did and schedule Div 2 instead of lower Div 1 schools, then the SEC will have to do so as well or the conferences' SOS will fall even further behind than it is now.
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Martin's biggest problems weren't Kenny and Presby.
His team starts the season too slow with no wins over the better rpi teams he plays.
Then he's playing catch up all season.
Playing D2s won't hurt or help that.
 
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calban said:
Martin's biggest problems weren't Kenny and Presby.
His team starts the season too slow with no wins over the better rpi teams he plays.
Then he's playing catch up all season.
Playing D2s won't hurt or help that.
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If we had the exact same resume this year but our RPI was 40 instead of mid 50s would we have gotten in in your opinion?
 
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calban said:
Martin's biggest problems weren't Kenny and Presby.
His team starts the season too slow with no wins over the better rpi teams he plays.
Then he's playing catch up all season.
Playing D2s won't hurt or help that.
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So you dont think the wins over Walla Walla and Corban U. got Boise St. into their playin game??? :eek:hmy:
 
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GoobieVol said:
Hard to compare the SEC to the MW this yr though.
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Is it? Maybe the MWC RPI was so good, which made them look so good as a comfermce because of the fact the all played these D2 teams???

They didn't do too well in the dance as a conference.
 
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calban said:
Yeah. Boise got in because they played D2 teams.
Actually they beat a top 25 rpi team on the road in November.
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Playing D2 teams kept their RPI up. Their whole conference collectively scheduling D2 teams instead of the bottom feeders of D1 keeps their entire confernce RPI up. IT begins to have an additive effect.

I seriously doubt that beating Creighton on the road in November is what got Boise St in the tourney. It was the collective impression that play in the MWC was elevated this season and the committee rewarded a 9 team mid-major conference with 5 invites for "going out an playing people" when it turns out that they really didn't do that, they simply found a way to have the committee not look at the patsies they played (and everyone plays) during December.
 
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zansdad said:
Playing D2 teams kept their RPI up. Their whole conference collectively scheduling D2 teams instead of the bottom feeders of D1 keeps their entire confernce RPI up. IT begins to have an additive effect.

I seriously doubt that beating Creighton on the road in November is what got Boise St in the tourney. It was the collective impression that play in the MWC was elevated this season and the committee rewarded a 9 team mid-major conference with 5 invites for "going out an playing people" when it turns out that they really didn't do that, they simply found a way to have the committee not look at the patsies they played (and everyone plays) during December.
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That doesn't explain an MTSU whose schedule included 12 200+ teams which included 3 300+ and ended with an rpi of 34 and only 1 win over a top 50 team. Didn't even play any 51-100s.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If we had the exact same resume this year but our RPI was 40 instead of mid 50s would we have gotten in in your opinion?
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I think this is the point right here. Also, if everyone in the SEC starts doing this then they collectively raise the RPI of the conference elevating UT's RPI even further.

This worked for MWC because no one else (as a conference) is really doing it and the committee was comparing apples and oranges and didn't realize it at the time.
 
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zansdad said:
Playing D2 teams kept their RPI up. Their whole conference collectively scheduling D2 teams instead of the bottom feeders of D1 keeps their entire confernce RPI up. IT begins to have an additive effect.

I seriously doubt that beating Creighton on the road in November is what got Boise St in the tourney. It was the collective impression that play in the MWC was elevated this season and the committee rewarded a 9 team mid-major conference with 5 invites for "going out an playing people" when it turns out that they really didn't do that, they simply found a way to have the committee not look at the patsies they played (and everyone plays) during December.
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This.
 
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