Early look at next year's SEC (Subject to change)

There's a lot of general misunderstandings about the RPI. I'm not going to get into all of them, but I can explain to you, mathematically, the advantages of scheduling division 2 opponents over very bad division 1 opponents.
Our variables (some courtesy of live-rpi)-
Tennessee's RPI- 0.5688 (59th in country)
Tennessee's SOS- 0.5544
Tennessee's AWP- 0.6119
Tennessee's Adj record- 16.4 wins 10.4 losses
Kennesaw State's SOS- 0.4565
Kennesaw State's AWP- 0.0942
Presbyterian SOS- 0.4372
Presbyterian AWP- 0.1570
Our formulas:
RPI = (AWP * 0.25) + (SOS * 0.75)
SOS impact = (AWP * 0.66) + (OWP * 0.33
SOS = (OWP *0.66) + (OOWP * 0.33)
In this case, the OWP is actually our opponent's AWP, and the OOWP is their OWP.
Assumptions-
We don't have our opponents' OWP. We have their SOS, which uses the OWP as a heavy weight, but also contains the OOWP. To get the OWP would require nested for loops parsing ~900 data points per team. Since this is by hand, that ain't happening, so let's assume OWP and OOWP are roughly equal and make our SOS stats for those teams their OWP. This means our final answers won't be entirely accurate, but it will only affect it by a spot or two in the rankings and not necessarily against UT's favor. A further note, contrary to popular belief, the venue does NOT affect the opponent's weight on the schedule. Neither does winning or losing. SOS is taken by adding up all your opponent's adjusted records and all their opponent's adjusted records to produce OWP and OOWP. The weighting for venue affects these adjusted records, but there is no further weighting.

We also don't have the opponent's weight on our SOS. Instead, we're going to multiply UT's SOS by 32 and assume each opponent is equal weight. This will actually negatively affect UT by a few spots because of the way OWP is calculated. As most of you know, wins/losses are of different values depending upon venue. Because of this, teams that lose a great deal, such as our opponents above, have a heavier weight due to all those home losses. On an unrelated note, the converse is true for dominant teams due to their success on the road.

Calculations:
So now with variables and assumptions out of the way, let's assume we're getting rid of Kennesaw State and Presbyterian and replacing with division 2 opponents who don't count towards RPI. First, we have to remove those adjusted wins from our adj. win column. Since they were both home wins, we need to remove 1.2
New Adj. record= (16.4-1.2) wins 10.4 losses
= 15.2 wins 10.4 wins
New AWP- 15.2/(15.2+10.4) = .5938
Note: Adjusted record was calculated from UT's schedule using a for loop by hand.

Now let's get our SOS. As stated above, we'll multiply our current SOS by 32(#games) to get a number we can subtract from.
SOS * #games = 0.5544 * 32 = 17.7408
OK, now let's get the SOS impact for both K-state and Presbyterian.
K state impact = ((0.0942 * 0.66) + (.4565 * 0.33)
= .2128
Pres impact = (.157 * 0.66) + (0.4372 * 0.33)
= .2479
Now let's subtract these impacts from our number above
New SOS * #games = 17.7408-.2128 - .2479 = 17.2801
Now, we divide this number over our new number of games, 30.
New SOS = 17.2801/30= .5760
Finally, with our New SOS and AWP, let's calculate RPI.
New RPI = (New SOS * 0.75) + (New AWP * 0.25)
RPI = (.5760 * 0.75) + (.5938 * 0.25) = .5805

So, what would have been the impact of playing d-II opponents instead of those two games? Well, with that number, Tennessee would have finished 52nd, a good 7 spots higher and in front of Cal and Nova. Given our assumptions potentially negative impact on UT, the high 40's is definitely within our error. Regardless of whether we get in or not with those numbers, its clear that in terms of RPI it's smarter to schedule division 2 teams over bottom feeder d-1 teams.

Didn't read it all but it is astounding to me that it can be more beneficial to play a D2 team over a bad D1 team.

I thought Martin was aggressive in scheduling this year. But as stated, this staff has to learn to avoid the 250+ RPI games. Find mid majors from 1-150.

Although I enjoyed math in school, I don't care to figure out the RPI. But something is off with it. You can just look at it each year and see that some teams just shouldn't rank where they do.
 
Didn't read it all but it is astounding to me that it can be more beneficial to play a D2 team over a bad D1 team.

I thought Martin was aggressive in scheduling this year. But as stated, this staff has to learn to avoid the 250+ RPI games. Find mid majors from 1-150.

Although I enjoyed math in school, I don't care to figure out the RPI. But something is off with it. You can just look at it each year and see that some teams just shouldn't rank where they do.

It definitely has its flaws.
 
Johny O returning to LSU, that kinda surprises me...LSU may be most improved team in the conference next year, legitimate tourney team.
 
Missouri's gonna be a mess.

Tiger's have no one to blame but themselves. Chasing Pressey (a good, however immature point guard) out of town. With his departure, so goes the good chance they contend in the SEC. Things aren't looking good for Haith, I have them at 9th.
 
I thought Mizzou was gonna add depth to the SEC with formidable basketball teams...i guess Haith needs to find his own recruits and build from scratch. He built an awesome Miami team(that he didn't get to coach) so hopefully he can do it again.

Poy, WCS, and Wiltjer all staying :D
With Poythress staying i won't be too upset if we don't get Wiggins. That comment he made about him and the UK team being the greatest can be taken with a grain of salt. Recruits say crazy s*** to start some buzz on the internet...just like this
 
Missouri's gonna be a mess.

How so?

Pressey was an amazing talent but also incredibly frustrating. He could take over a game with his driving and passing abilities but he also had a tendency to be a ball hog in close games and tried to be the hero. He would try to score all of the points himself and become more of a poor shooting SG than a talented PG. The loss of Dixon before last season really hurt us. He would have given Haith a second PG and one that has proven to be a clutch shooter in close games. With Dixon Haith could have benched Pressey in close games when he forgot he had four other guys on his team.

Next year for the PG position we will have Clark and Clarkson. Between the two we should be fine.

I'm more worried about replacing Oriakhi down low. Rosburg and Post should be good with rebounding and defense but I'm concerned about their offense.

Next season Missouri adds:
Jordan Clarkson - Transfer from Tulsa
Johnathan Williams III - PF (4 Star, 50th from Rivals)
Wes Clark - PG (4 Star, 71st from Rivals)
Torren Jones - PF (3 Star, 117th from Rivals)
Keanau Post - C (4 Star, From Rivals) JUCO.

We are also supposedly a possible option for Tarik Black from Memphis.

Right now our roster looks like this:
PG - Wes Clark, Jordan Clarkson
SG - Jabari Brown
SF - Earnest Ross, Stefan Jankovic
PF - Tony Cirswell, Johnathan Williams III, Torren Jones
C - Ryan Rosburg, Keanau Post


Personally I"m looking forward to next season. We should be a tournament team again.
 
How so?

Pressey was an amazing talent but also incredibly frustrating. He could take over a game with his driving and passing abilities but he also had a tendency to be a ball hog in close games and tried to be the hero. He would try to score all of the points himself and become more of a poor shooting SG than a talented PG. The loss of Dixon before last season really hurt us. He would have given Haith a second PG and one that has proven to be a clutch shooter in close games. With Dixon Haith could have benched Pressey in close games when he forgot he had four other guys on his team.

Next year for the PG position we will have Clark and Clarkson. Between the two we should be fine.

I'm more worried about replacing Oriakhi down low. Rosburg and Post should be good with rebounding and defense but I'm concerned about their offense.

Next season Missouri adds:
Jordan Clarkson - Transfer from Tulsa
Johnathan Williams III - PF (4 Star, 50th from Rivals)
Wes Clark - PG (4 Star, 71st from Rivals)
Torren Jones - PF (3 Star, 117th from Rivals)
Keanau Post - C (4 Star, From Rivals) JUCO.

We are also supposedly a possible option for Tarik Black from Memphis.

Right now our roster looks like this:
PG - Wes Clark, Jordan Clarkson
SG - Jabari Brown
SF - Earnest Ross, Stefan Jankovic
PF - Tony Cirswell, Johnathan Williams III, Torren Jones
C - Ryan Rosburg, Keanau Post


Personally I"m looking forward to next season. We should be a tournament team again.

Mizzou is not a bad team, but the strength of the SEC next year won't help them at all. Haith is going to need to coach up his boys next year for them to compete. Don't underestimate the depth of the SEC next season. We still don't have a real gauge on how good of a coach Haith is yet (aside from the fact that he crumbles under pressure in tournament), but next year we'll find out.
 
Missouri will have a lot of good wings next season (Brown, Ross, Clarkson) with no experienced bigs and a freshman point guard. Pressey was inconsistent in clutch situations, but he was a damn good point guard otherwise. He'll be missed.

I think next year's Missouri team will probably be mid-pack of the SEC and a solid NIT team.
 
Updated:

1) Kentucky
2) Florida
3) Tennessee
4) Alabama
5) Vanderbilt
6) Missouri
7) LSU
8) Ole Miss
9) South Carolina
10) Arkansas
11) Texas A&M
12) Auburn
13) Mississippi State
14) Georgia
 
Mizzou is not a bad team, but the strength of the SEC next year won't help them at all. Haith is going to need to coach up his boys next year for them to compete. Don't underestimate the depth of the SEC next season. We still don't have a real gauge on how good of a coach Haith is yet (aside from the fact that he crumbles under pressure in tournament), but next year we'll find out.

Sorry to any Mizzou fans, but Haith is not a good coach. I don't believe they can be any better when you lose Pressey, Bowers, and Oriakhi.

I actually think LSU and Arkansas can be better than people think. They had very good recruiting classes.
 
Sorry to any Mizzou fans, but Haith is not a good coach. I don't believe they can be any better when you lose Pressey, Bowers, and Oriakhi.

I actually think LSU and Arkansas can be better than people think. They had very good recruiting classes.

I think about as much of Anderson as I do Haith.
 
Scheduling determines a lot of things in the present SEC. It all depends on what road games you draw looks like we'll be on the road to Florida, Missouri, Mississippi State, and LSU. Home against Texas A&M, Arkansas. Auburn, and South Carolina. Home and home with Georgia, Vandy, Kentucky, Alabama, and Ole Miss. I'm thinking we could go 3 and 1 in those road games and sweep at home for 7 and 1. I think we should beat Georgia, Vandy twice, and split the other three series. That would give us 14 and 4 SEC record. That would be good enough to be in the top three and possibly win the conference. Non conference 8 and 2. SEC Tourney 2 and 1. 24 wins and 7 losses for the season.Going into the NCAA Tourney. Hopefully we can make the sweet sixteen there.
 
I'll actually be surprised if LSU doesn't finish in the top five of the SEC.

They've definitely got the talent, depth may be a bit of an issue, but their starting 5 will be very good. I wanna see what Johnny Jones can do with them before I really predict them to finish that high though.
 
Scheduling determines a lot of things in the present SEC. It all depends on what road games you draw looks like we'll be on the road to Florida, Missouri, Mississippi State, and LSU. Home against Texas A&M, Arkansas. Auburn, and South Carolina. Home and home with Georgia, Vandy, Kentucky, Alabama, and Ole Miss. I'm thinking we could go 3 and 1 in those road games and sweep at home for 7 and 1. I think we should beat Georgia, Vandy twice, and split the other three series. That would give us 14 and 4 SEC record. That would be good enough to be in the top three and possibly win the conference. Non conference 8 and 2. SEC Tourney 2 and 1. 24 wins and 7 losses for the season.Going into the NCAA Tourney. Hopefully we can make the sweet sixteen there.

I don't think the scheduling works that way, opposite of previous year. Our only continued home/away is Vandy, because they were determined to be our rival. The other 4 home/away may change and not necessarily be the same 4 they were last year. Therefore, that would also mean the single game opponents may change up an some who were home this year may still be home. IIRC schedule comes out in August, we still have a few OOC slots that need to be filled.
 
I think about as much of Anderson as I do Haith.

Yes, I can see that. But, Anderson has won important games. At UAB, I believe he beat UK to go to the Sweet 16. I just think he has been slow in getting better players at Arkansas. They did get Young and Madden, but I don't think Madden has been great. I believe Powell returns along with a couple of very good recruits.

Haith has done nothing except have a great regular season at Mizzou and then flame out. I don't recall him doing that well at Miami either. Maybe he made the tourney once or twice.
 
Yes, I can see that. But, Anderson has won important games. At UAB, I believe he beat UK to go to the Sweet 16. I just think he has been slow in getting better players at Arkansas. They did get Young and Madden, but I don't think Madden has been great. I believe Powell returns along with a couple of very good recruits.

Haith has done nothing except have a great regular season at Mizzou and then flame out. I don't recall him doing that well at Miami either. Maybe he made the tourney once or twice.

Powell & Young both went pro, which is primarily why I'm not as high on them as most.
 
Powell & Young both went pro, which is primarily why I'm not as high on them as most.

Oh, did not know that about Powell. I thought I had seen that he was returning.

May be tougher than I thought. The SEC may be bad again at the bottom. The top should be very good.
 

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