"EDGE" James

#51
#51
VolinArizona said:
I would like to point out that James has been in the top 5 in carries in the NFL for 4 of the 7 seasons he's played more than half a season.

Do you think the offensive gurus in Indy would continually leave James in on short downs if he couldn't do it?
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They used more play-action in those situations because they were uncertain that James could get the yards. However, James was good for 4 or 5 yards on every other down. You can not believe me, it doesn't matter. I witnessed this first hand during his career in Indy. I don't miss him.
 
#53
#53
Big Orange Diesel said:
One reason the Owner Of the Colts stated that they didn't re-sign Edge was because he wasn't a break away threat. Edge could always get 20 to 25 yds but never did break the 50, 60, or 70 yd runs.
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Rarely did Edge break a 20-25 yard gain. It happened, but it was rare.
 
#55
#55
Add to this, he wound up at the Cardinals. Who were the other teams bidding for him last year?
 
#56
#56
VolinArizona said:
I am a Colts fan. I've watched a ton of their games, minus this past season. James was very capable of getting tough yards. You point out ONE example that jumps out due to the pain we feel. However, he was plenty capable.
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Okay, man... if you think so. On 3rd-and-short... he's hardly ever good for the yards. I'm not just making this stuff up.
 
#58
#58
VolinArizona said:
I think they are extremely close to the same.
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I agree... they are very close. But the cap room that the Colts got from not paying a ridiculous amount for Edge is going to eventually pay off for them. Maybe they can go out this offseason and get a big-name LB or DL.
 
#59
#59
tclowers23 said:
I agree... they are very close. But the cap room that the Colts got from not paying a ridiculous amount for Edge is going to eventually pay off for them. Maybe they can go out this offseason and get a big-name LB or DL.
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Absolutely true.
 
#61
#61
VolinArizona said:
James could very much get tough yards. Addai is younger, that's about it.
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I think Edge's biggest fault was that he wasn't a very good short-yardage back. His backup, Rhodes, really isn't/wasn't either. Addai is a pretty good 3rd and 1 type guy. Edge was pretty great at picking up 6 yards on a play where most backs would only get 2 or 3. He just always seemed to be able to snake through to get the most yardage possible. Also, I think he is one of the best receiving RBs in the league.

I think I'll wait till after next year to judge which running back roster I like better.
 
#62
#62
kptvol said:
I think Edge's biggest fault was that he wasn't a very good short-yardage back. His backup, Rhodes, really isn't/wasn't either. Addai is a pretty good 3rd and 1 type guy. Edge was pretty great at picking up 6 yards on a play where most backs would only get 2 or 3. He just always seemed to be able to snake through to get the most yardage possible. Also, I think he is one of the best receiving RBs in the league.

I think I'll wait till after next year to judge which running back roster I like better.
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I guess I'll have to agree to disagree with you and clowers. I thought James was fine in short yardage.
 
#63
#63
kptvol said:
I think Edge's biggest fault was that he wasn't a very good short-yardage back. His backup, Rhodes, really isn't/wasn't either. Addai is a pretty good 3rd and 1 type guy. Edge was pretty great at picking up 6 yards on a play where most backs would only get 2 or 3. He just always seemed to be able to snake through to get the most yardage possible. Also, I think he is one of the best receiving RBs in the league.

I think I'll wait till after next year to judge which running back roster I like better.
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Exactly. That's the only reason I had anything against James. Other than that, he's a dang good back.

:clapping:
 
#64
#64
tclowers23 said:
Okay, man... if you think so. On 3rd-and-short... he's hardly ever good for the yards. I'm not just making this stuff up.
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That was definitely his weakness. What the Colts should have done was pickup a more powerful back somehow. I liked how the Giants used Tiki Barber primarily, but could always bring in Brandon Jacobs for the tough yards. Tiki wasn't the greatest short-yardage back, sometimes. Also, not having a true fullback on the team didn't help out with those situations. It's nice this year being able to pound it into the endzone with Addai and Klecko, rather than Peyton having to throw dangerous passes into the endzone when only a yard or two is needed for a TD.
 
#65
#65
kptvol said:
That was definitely his weakness. What the Colts should have done was pickup a more powerful back somehow. I liked how the Giants used Tiki Barber primarily, but could always bring in Brandon Jacobs for the tough yards. Tiki wasn't the greatest short-yardage back, sometimes. Also, not having a true fullback on the team didn't help out with those situations. It's nice this year being able to pound it into the endzone with Addai and Klecko, rather than Peyton having to throw dangerous passes into the endzone when only a yard or two is needed for a TD.
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But James had more rushing TDs in 2005 than Addai did in 2006.
 
#66
#66
VolinArizona said:
I guess I'll have to agree to disagree with you and clowers. I thought James was fine in short yardage.
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Honestly, I was more confident when the Colts had 3rd and five than when they had 3rd and one. I felt Edge just ran a lot better in those situations. That may have been because defenses were so concerned with Manning's play action.
 
#67
#67
kptvol said:
That was definitely his weakness. What the Colts should have done was pickup a more powerful back somehow. I liked how the Giants used Tiki Barber primarily, but could always bring in Brandon Jacobs for the tough yards. Tiki wasn't the greatest short-yardage back, sometimes. Also, not having a true fullback on the team didn't help out with those situations. It's nice this year being able to pound it into the endzone with Addai and Klecko, rather than Peyton having to throw dangerous passes into the endzone when only a yard or two is needed for a TD.
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Yeah, definitely. I love Klecko... that dude is a beast. Yeah, when Peyton broke the passing TD record in 2004, he had a ton of passing TDs inside the 5-yard line-- very dangerous place to be winging the ball around though.
 
#68
#68
VolinArizona said:
But James had more rushing TDs in 2005 than Addai did in 2006.
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Yeah, but Addai was a rookie. I mean, I don't think he really got the heavy responsibilities until later in the season. That's why I'll wait until next year to make a more educated evaluation of the two backs.
 
#69
#69
cotton said:
Is that because they lost a pro bowl running back and replaced him with a career back-up and a rookie?

I would say more important reasons are that the Patriots are down, Marty can't win a playoff game, the Colt defense played exceptionally well in the playoffs, and Manning finally hit his stride in the second half the Pats game. Eventually, Addai may be as good as James was in Indy, but he isn't now.
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Edgerrin James averaged 4.22 yards per carry in his 7 seasons in Indianapolis. During his best season in Indianapolis, he average 4.6 yards per carry. Addai averaged 4.78 yards per carry as a rookie in Indianapolis. Carry on, though. Don't let facts get in the way of making an incorrect argument.
 
#70
#70
tclowers23 said:
I would take Addai over James for a couple of reasons. Money... and what I've been saying over and over again... James couldn't ever get the tough yards or make big plays. Addai has proven he can do this.
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Precisely. Edge gets the yards that are there to be taken without getting hit. Then he gets down on the ground or out of bounds as quickly as possible. Edge doesn't get the hard yards. He doesn't run hard. Addai runs hard.
 
#71
#71
VolinArizona said:
I am a Colts fan. I've watched a ton of their games, minus this past season. James was very capable of getting tough yards. You point out ONE example that jumps out due to the pain we feel. However, he was plenty capable.
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No he couldn't.
 
#72
#72
tclowers23 said:
I agree... they are very close. But the cap room that the Colts got from not paying a ridiculous amount for Edge is going to eventually pay off for them. Maybe they can go out this offseason and get a big-name LB or DL.
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Correct. I had hoped that the Colts would actually trade Edge the year before they ended up not re-signing him. They could have got something in return for him. They also could have used the savings on some good linebackers, which is something they still need.
 
#73
#73
Vol423 said:
Edgerrin James averaged 4.22 yards per carry in his 7 seasons in Indianapolis. During his best season in Indianapolis, he average 4.6 yards per carry. Addai averaged 4.78 yards per carry as a rookie in Indianapolis. Carry on, though. Don't let facts get in the way of making an incorrect argument.
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And James ran for 1506 yards as a Colt in '05 (in 15 games) while Addai ran for 1081 for the Colts in '06, or just over 100 yards per game verses 67. What facts are getting in the way of my argument? The premise was that the Colts are better off without James. I just don't see how that is the case.
 
#74
#74
cotton said:
And James ran for 1506 yards as a Colt in '05 (in 15 games) while Addai ran for 1081 for the Colts in '06, or just over 100 yards per game verses 67. What facts are getting in the way of my argument? The premise was that the Colts are better off without James. I just don't see how that is the case.
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That's because Edge had a ton more carries in 2005 than Addai had in 2006. Addai was splitting time because he was a rookie and still had to learn how to pick up the blitz. You have to be blind or in total denial to not be able to see that Addai is a better runner than Edgerrin James and in even bigger denial to not see that the Colts, who are in the Super Bowl in 2006, are better off without James with whom they never made it to the Super Bowl. Come back next year. Addai will smoke 1,506 yards rushing next year. What a ridiculous argument.
 
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