Edward Snowden: American Hero

#928
#928
Vol8188 said:
Do you really think the information would have been made public if he went through proper channels?

You think the government would just say, "you're right, it is unconstitutional to spy on US citizens".
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If I were a gambling man I would bet you that government spying on US Citizens has been going on for many years,more than you have lived, and will continue after you are long gone.

I waiting on your justification for Snowden to give sensitive information to Putin.
 
#930
#930
hog88 said:
If it were me, I would have tried to get it into the hands of a few reporters from different outlets in secrecy. Not been an attention whore and absolutely not have given anything to a foreign power.

Amazing how long deapthroat kept his anonymity.
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So he was worried more about everyone knowing he was the hero over protecting my freedom?
 
#931
#931
Gramps said:
If I were a gambling man I would bet you that government spying on US Citizens has been going on for many years,more than you have lived, and will continue after you are long gone.

I waiting on your justification for Snowden to give sensitive information to Putin.
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That doesn't mean you should accept it, gramps. That's my real problem with this story. No one blames the government officials (the actual traitors) everyone blames the man who exposed them.

It's assumed that he did. Probably just character assassination by the government. But even if he actually did, what other option did he have? Either meet their demands or be extradited to die. Not a hard decision to make.
 
#933
#933
Vol8188 said:
That doesn't mean you should accept it, gramps. That's my real problem with this story. No one blames the government officials (the actual traitors) everyone blames the man who exposed them.

It's assumed that he did. Probably just character assassination by the government. But even if he actually did, what other option did he have? Either meet their demands or be extradited to die. Not a hard decision to make.
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I blame the government. I blame Snowden for the way he went about exposing the government. There are no heroes or innocents on either side.
 
#934
#934
Gramps said:
If I were a gambling man I would bet you that government spying on US Citizens has been going on for many years,more than you have lived, and will continue after you are long gone.

I waiting on your justification for Snowden to give sensitive information to Putin.
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Im sure Russia was glad to help without anything given in return.
 
#935
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BeecherVol said:
So he was worried more about everyone knowing he was the hero over protecting my freedom?
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Or maybe he thought putting a face and a name with the story would make it more believable than using the old "an anonymous source".

But if your biggest complaint is that he gave a video interview, you're seriously just nitpicking because you have no real complaints to make.
 
#937
#937
hog88 said:
I blame the government. I blame Snowden for the way he went about exposing the government. There are no heroes or innocents on either side.
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It's heroic to give up everything you know to expose government abuses of power.

And apparently no one blames the government since I've never seen anyone outraged enough to proclaim these officials should be put to death for abusing their power and raping the constitution.

Despite that countless people in this thread believe exposing the government for its bull**** is an act of treason.
 
#938
#938
Vol8188 said:
Or maybe he thought putting a face and a name with the story would make it more believable than using the old "an anonymous source".

But if your biggest complaint is that he gave a video interview, you're seriously just nitpicking because you have no real complaints to make.
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Meh. Im sure he doesn't have issue with being a "known" man.

Actually you couldn't be more right. Im trying to figure out how I have made it so long with the government hiding under my bed. So I guess in a sense you have nailed it.
 
#939
#939
I agree there are better ways Snowden could have handled it, but the consequences of his actions are what they are. I judge him accordingly. You guys want a perfect hero. Nobody said heroes have to be perfect. None of them are.
 
#941
#941
Vol8188 said:
That doesn't mean you should accept it, gramps. That's my real problem with this story. No one blames the government officials (the actual traitors) everyone blames the man who exposed them.

It's assumed that he did. Probably just character assassination by the government. But even if he actually did, what other option did he have? Either meet their demands or be extradited to die. Not a hard decision to make.
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In reality it is to be expected. We live in a technology world. That technology is going to be used by our government and every other nation on earth. It is my opinion if we knew everything our government does in order to keep us safe we would be shocked. (For lack of a better word)

You keep saying he will/would be killed if he stayed in or came back to America. Again you do not know that. He may be killed, he may have to spend the rest of his life in prison. A REAL HERO is someone willing to accept the consequences of his/her actions. Snowden is not willing to accept any consequences.
 
#943
#943
Vol8188 said:
If a contract is related to illegal activity it makes the contract void.

For example I can't kill someone and have you sign a NDA if you witness it. Our contract would be void because it's based in illegal activity.

Why would the same rule not apply here?
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No I would not. A NDA with the USG is not consisidered a contract.......at least not the way you are making it out to be.
 
#946
#946
I have high standards for what I consider a hero, and I wouldn't necessarily say Snowden meets those standards. He was, however, extremely brave for doing what he did and even braver for putting his face out there with the information. Out of all the government employees we had/have illegally spying on us over the years, not one whistleblower had the nuts to step up and say this isn't right, this isn't legal, and the people deserve to know. They were content letting this betrayal of trust between the government and the citizens continue because they were too chicken **** to say anything(self preservation) or they simply didn't care(much worse than being scared).

Could I see how some would feel like Snowden has been self serving since the leak? Sure. I wouldn't argue that it seems like he might enjoy the attention, and I wouldn't argue that ultimately he's looking out for himself more than the American people.

But I honestly don't give a damn about that compared to the real story, which is the government abusing its authority and betraying us once again in a massive and irresponsible way. That's the important thing here.
 
#948
#948
BeecherVol said:
Meh. Im sure he doesn't have issue with being a "known" man.

Actually you couldn't be more right. Im trying to figure out how I have made it so long with the government hiding under my bed. So I guess in a sense you have nailed it.
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So you're saying what he claimed was happening wasn't really happening?
 
#949
#949
Vol8188 said:
So you're saying what he claimed was happening wasn't really happening?
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No.
That was in response to your comment about not having any complaints if the only one is about an interview.

I dont know how I have survived with the government sneaking around my house.
 
#950
#950
BeecherVol said:
No.
That was in response to your comment about not having any complaints if the only one is about an interview.

I dont know how I have survived with the government sneaking around my house.
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So you have no problem with the government spying on you?
 
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