Eight years and no titles...

#51
#51
oklavol said:
What kind of season would have justifed keeping Fulmer?

10-2?; 11-1?

Two games were lost in the final 3 minutes, they were very competitive.
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Don't you get it? Nothing would have justified keeping him. Even a National Championship would have been credited to Cutcliffe and they would have called for Fulmer to just let him have the head job. There is NO sense of realism with these people.

Zip, Zero, Zilch.
 
#52
#52
OrangeSquare said:
Don't you get it? Nothing would have justified keeping him. Even a National Championship would have been credited to Cutcliffe and they would have called for Fulmer to just let him have the head job. There is NO sense of realism with these people.

Zip, Zero, Zilch.
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This from the guy that gloated for weeks about how the team had turned around following the Cal victory even though most everyone picked the Vols to beat them.

Seriously, don't lump every critic of Fulmer into the below average intelligence club just because every now and then a poster comes along that doesn't exactly argue his point eloquently. There are just as many bozos on the other side of the fence.
 
#53
#53
OrangeSquare said:
Don't you get it? Nothing would have justified keeping him. Even a National Championship would have been credited to Cutcliffe and they would have called for Fulmer to just let him have the head job. There is NO sense of realism with these people.

Zip, Zero, Zilch.
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and you and your love for 9-3 seasons is realism? if that's realism i don't want realism
 
#54
#54
I am starting to get the impression that certain pro-Fulmer posters are actually troll fans of other teams who just want to try and convince the true UT fans that we should just accept mediocrity.
 
#55
#55
Well lets see.... Before 1998, the last NC we won(technically) was in 1967- a 31 year difference.

So, by those calculations, the next NC title we will get will be in 2029.
 
#56
#56
I would love to win a NC, but what's first and foremost in my mind is competing for a SEC championship. If we can do that consistently then we'll be in the hunt for a BCS bowl every year and the NC's will come. As of now, we're 5th or 6th best in our league.
 
#59
#59
allvol said:
Its easy to say that, but in reality, each team's win over Tennessee helped them to become top 10 teams. Colley's computer ranking has a neat function where you can input a different output for a game. Had California beaten the Vols this season, they would be ranked 5th.

Likewise, had the Vols beaten LSU, the Tigers would be 14th instead of 6th. Arkansas drops to 19th.

However, Florida only drops from 3rd to 5th.

Reversing any one of those 3 losses results in the Vols being ranked 6th.

Reversing other games (one at a time) results in:
California 5th
Georgia 19th
South Carolina 22nd
Kentucky 26th
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I find it very interesting that we carry that much weight in the computers.
 
#60
#60
USC has won 2 National titles and played for a third in this decade. They may end up playing Ohio State for a fourth.

It can be done...... as much as folks say you cant win and compete for NC's regulary on this board, the proof is in the pudding.
 
#61
#61
2002-2003 Season: Ohio State Natl Ch........

It has been four years and they are playing for another Natl Ch.
 
#63
#63
Someone mentioned it before, can't remember who, but I think it had some credence to it. USC, Ohio St., Mich. are the big power schools in their geographical regions, and will tend to draw the best recruits. The SEC has several bigtime schools in the same area, so talent tends to get spread around instead of congregating in a couple.
 
#64
#64
oklavol said:
I don't think Fulmer needs to be fired after a 9-3 season. With a Bowl win that would be 10-3.

Not the championship everyone wants, but is it enough to replace the head coach? I don't think so.

Realisticly, you expect to fire a coach after going 10-3?
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I always said we need some serious change to compete the SECC (not national C), but I never said fire Fulmer right now. It's impossible and also wrong to fire him after a 9 or 10 win season. But the cost to keep him is accepting the mediocrity. That never tastes good.

Some body said we should give him a chance at least wait untill those "2005 golden boys" become juniors or seniors. Honestly, we have no upper hands on Florida and Georgia in recruiting, and what about next? Well, we are still going to be mediocre, and the truth is Fulmer is "unfireable" under his contract.

I guess 2 or 3 years later is the time for me to temporarily leave, because I refuse to accept mediocrity.
 
#65
#65
HawaiiVol said:
Someone mentioned it before, can't remember who, but I think it had some credence to it. USC, Ohio St., Mich. are the big power schools in their geographical regions, and will tend to draw the best recruits. The SEC has several bigtime schools in the same area, so talent tends to get spread around instead of congregating in a couple.
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:blink: Last I checked, Ohio State and Michigan are in the same region.
 
#66
#66
About this region. LSU and Georgia hadn't been playing for many SEC Titles in the 90s, but in this decade, they've played in many and won 1 or more. What happened at those 2 schools that started the hot trend?

You don't have to post the answer. I already know it.
 
#67
#67
HawaiiVol said:
Someone mentioned it before, can't remember who, but I think it had some credence to it. USC, Ohio St., Mich. are the big power schools in their geographical regions, and will tend to draw the best recruits. The SEC has several bigtime schools in the same area, so talent tends to get spread around instead of congregating in a couple.
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That sounds plausible in theory, but it has not worked that way. USC & MICH recruit nationally.

Since each team is limited to 25 players per year, and of that 25 only a few players at each position are recruited, it leaves a lot of good players out there each year to be plucked by other scools. Tennessee has been doing it for years.
 
#68
#68
yeah, but what other big time schools are in that region? 2 big ones for the whole area still tends to congregate talent.
 
#69
#69
Liper said:
That sounds plausible in theory, but it has not worked that way. USC & MICH recruit nationally.

Since each team is limited to 25 players per year, and of that 25 only a few players at each position are recruited, it leaves a lot of good players out there each year to be plucked by other scools. Tennessee has been doing it for years.
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ahhh ok, I've never followed recruiting, so I show my ignorance on the player limit. Still seems like the big schools can cherry pick homegrown talent.
 
#70
#70
HawaiiVol said:
yeah, but what other big time schools are in that region? 2 big ones for the whole area still tends to congregate talent.
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Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan State, Iowa, and Wisconsin.

Plus, Zook, the nation's best recruiter, is now at Illinois.
 
#71
#71
HawaiiVol said:
yeah, but what other big time schools are in that region? 2 big ones for the whole area still tends to congregate talent.
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Notre Dame bleeds into that region as well. So does Penn State, and Pitt to some degree. Morganton, WV is right there too. Michigan State is down, but not out either.
 
#72
#72
Example of TN's normal team:

Ainge - OR
Meachem - OK
Swain - AL
Smith - AR
Brown - LA
Cottam - TN

It just takes a few at each position to round out your team each year. So what I'm saying is that it matters not whether there are 15,000 Div IA players in one area, because you can only start 11. Tennessee and others just need to get what they need at each position each year. Good recruiters at any school have proven they can do this.

e.g. Stafford, GA, Russell, AL, Ainge, OR, and on and on.

Check out USC's roster. They have a lot of CAL people, but a lot of their difference makers are often from other states. Carroll's philosophy is to go get the best players wherever they are -- the same as TN, MICH, ND, FSU. etc.
 
#73
#73
Look, I am very anti-Fulmer. But I can admit...you dont fire him after a 9-3 season. I remember when Nebraska did that and I thought it was the dumbest move and made them look terrible. That said...I think we've settled into this 3-4 loss season rut that I dont see us getting out of anytime soon. The way recruiting goes, we're fourth in the sec (lsu, florida, uga) with Auburn closing the gap. I know talent doesnt automatically translate into winning, but I dont think its coincidence that the sec champs this decade have been the four teams I just mentioned.

And there are no ignoring the facts...our record since '99, our abysmal home record against top ten teams, two 5-loss seasons and a six-loss season since '00, two sec cg game losses, a poor bowl record since '00. Notice most these numbers look ugly since 99-00...once our very-talented teams left, there has been a dropoff.

When do we get tired of being 2nd or 3rd best every year? When do we stop accepting 3-4 loss seasons? When do we demaned a sec championship? Most importantly for the pro-fulmers...when do you stop making excuses for him, especially when he gets paid 2 mil?

The next four-loss season, I say he goes.
 
#74
#74
kptvol said:
This from the guy that gloated for weeks about how the team had turned around following the Cal victory even though most everyone picked the Vols to beat them.

Seriously, don't lump every critic of Fulmer into the below average intelligence club just because every now and then a poster comes along that doesn't exactly argue his point eloquently. There are just as many bozos on the other side of the fence.
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This team HAS turned around. We are 2 points and :9 away from a one loss season, a SEC CG birth and a shot at the title game.

Pretend all you want that things are bad, but they aren't.

There were a LOT of NEGAVOLS that picked Cal to beat us, and I could go back and bring them up, but what's the point? You'll just come back with some other excuse as to why my side of the arguement is wrong.

If someone doesn't see the improvement from last season to this season, they don't deserve to have an opinion because they are too stupid to turn on the computer by themselves.

Am I "happy" we have three losses? Of course not. That's stupid to even suggest. However, I am not ready to throw VERY capable coaches over the bridge because I have unrealistic goals or because I don't understand the game enough to notice the improvements that have been made.
 
#75
#75
OrangeSquare said:
This team HAS turned around. We are 2 points and :9 away from a one loss season, a SEC CG birth and a shot at the title game.

Pretend all you want that things are bad, but they aren't.

There were a LOT of NEGAVOLS that picked Cal to beat us, and I could go back and bring them up, but what's the point? You'll just come back with some other excuse as to why my side of the arguement is wrong.

If someone doesn't see the improvement from last season to this season, they don't deserve to have an opinion because they are too stupid to turn on the computer by themselves.

Am I "happy" we have three losses? Of course not. That's stupid to even suggest. However, I am not ready to throw VERY capable coaches over the bridge because I have unrealistic goals or because I don't understand the game enough to notice the improvements that have been made.
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4 points from being 7-5, 10 points from being 6-6. What's you point? Please, for the benefit of returning UT to championship status, please give up your Orange and find some other team to poison with your acceptance of mediocrity.
 
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