Election Night (or days, or weeks, or whatever) 2022

[Tnslim1]

Did you type this with a straight face?

I did indeed.

 

[newokie03]

I did indeed.

No such thing as an honest politician, that is an oxymoron.

 

[C-south]

Actually, tens of millions of people are "buying it" which is precisely why they vote by mail every cycle.

Which is why people believe in rampant fraud and why they’re still “counting”’votes 3 days later.

 

[volinbham]

There are numerous safeguards in place, which prevent mail-in voting misconduct.

6 ways mail-in ballots are protected from fraud

How Security Features Prevent Vote-by-Mail Misconduct

Mail-in Ballots Are Secure, Confidential, and Trustworthy

Table 14: How States Verify Voted Absentee/Mail Ballots

Voting by mail: how it works, safeguards, and remedies if something goes wrong

I just read through the first one and while I don't believe there is any massive fraud the article is naive or misleading.

On point 1 it says only "valid voters" are mailed ballots. Valid is defined as being on the voter rolls and there is no guarantee that all names on the rolls are valid. In fact we know that voter rolls contain errors such as people dying, moving, etc. So if there are invalid names on the rolls ballots can be in the hands of invalid voters. Political parties have access to the rolls in many states (eg. Abrams' team had access to the GA voter rolls).

On point 2 the idea it's difficult to make fake ballots is grounded in differences between voting areas (eg. state to state or possibly county to county). None of that precludes the production of fake ballots within a state or county.

On point 3 we've seen highly varying standards on what "signature verification" means and efforts to waive it altogether.

On point 4 - same as point 2.

On point 5 - LOL at the USPS noticing oddities. Yes if one address is sending huge #s but does anyone believe the USPS is really the gatekeeper of detecting fraudulent ballots?

On point 6 - LOL again. If a political party wants power badly enough these penalties are not going to stop it. People commit felonies every day even though there are harsh penalties.

The lynchpin is the voter roll. Political parties having access to them and voting histories allows them to potentially identify names on the rolls that are not going to be voting.

Just to avoid the inevitable freak out - I'm not saying it is happening. I'm pointing out that the arguments in this article are not convincing and fraud can occur within the mail in system

 

[hog88]

Republicans tend to be more honest in their dealings.

LOL

 

[Jxn Vol]

Both parties are terrible.

But I would trust a conservative over a liberal to teach my kids, babysit my dogs, and perform any home or automotive repairs.

 

[lostsheep]

Both parties are terrible.

But I would trust a conservative over a liberal to teach my kids, babysit my dogs, and perform any home or automotive repairs.

Interesting take.
I've never asked my kids' teachers, dogsitters, or repair shop whether they are conservative or liberal and I honestly don't care. Rather, I rely on my own ability to find honest and caring folk combined with reputations of each built within their own communities.

 

[TN Ribs]

Which is why people believe in rampant fraud and why they’re still “counting”’votes 3 days later.

In AZ they are still counting because they have a signature verification policy in place - you know, voter integrity and all.
I can't help people who claim "rampant fraud" when there is no proof to support such a claim, sorry, that's on them.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Interesting take.
I've never asked my kids' teachers, dogsitters, or repair shop whether they are conservative or liberal and I honestly don't care. Rather, I rely on my own ability to find honest and caring folk combined with reputations of each built within their own communities.

My community is conservative. I choose not to live or do business in a crap hole.

 

[C-south]

In AZ they are still counting because they have a signature verification policy in place - you know, voter integrity and all.
I can't help people who claim "rampant fraud" when there is no proof to support such a claim, sorry, that's on them.

Lol. “Signature verification”.

 

[lostsheep]

My community is conservative. I choose not to live or do business in a crap hole.

Right.
It's silly declarations like this that have us where we are as a country.
Making a judgement on one's honesty and integrity based on a political label is nonsense.

 

[volbeast33]

Interesting take.
I've never asked my kids' teachers, dogsitters, or repair shop whether they are conservative or liberal and I honestly don't care. Rather, I rely on my own ability to find honest and caring folk combined with reputations of each built within their own communities.

So you find conservatives?

 

[Jxn Vol]

Right.
It's silly declarations like this that have us where we are as a country.
Making a judgement on one's honesty and integrity based on a political label is nonsense.

Lol. I make judgment calls on everything. And that’s what is wrong with the country.

Being a high horse liberal must feel like a chore.

 

[Jxn Vol]

So you find conservatives?

I routinely do business in my circle. Which consists of church and my kids private school. I just don’t seem to run across many libs. Which is by design

 

[0nelilreb]

Right.
It's silly declarations like this that have us where we are as a country.
Making a judgement on one's honesty and integrity based on a political label is nonsense.

. I wonder if VN has a post search feature

 

[BreatheUT]

A divided GOP and massive mail-in balloting with little to no safe guards wrecked what should have been a rout. Neither of which will be fixed before 2024. Expect more of the same, regardless of who runs for the GOP.

If Kari Lake wins governor she will look to reform a system that has become broken as Democrats have reinvited rules across the country to invite unethical behavior. Other states like Pennsylvania, California, etc will continue to suck. Look how simple it is to get the tallies in Tennessee. The management of the election in some of these states are horrible.

 

[BreatheUT]

I just read through the first one and while I don't believe there is any massive fraud the article is naive or misleading.

On point 1 it says only "valid voters" are mailed ballots. Valid is defined as being on the voter rolls and there is no guarantee that all names on the rolls are valid. In fact we know that voter rolls contain errors such as people dying, moving, etc. So if there are invalid names on the rolls ballots can be in the hands of invalid voters. Political parties have access to the rolls in many states (eg. Abrams' team had access to the GA voter rolls).

On point 2 the idea it's difficult to make fake ballots is grounded in differences between voting areas (eg. state to state or possibly county to county). None of that precludes the production of fake ballots within a state or county.

On point 3 we've seen highly varying standards on what "signature verification" means and efforts to waive it altogether.

On point 4 - same as point 2.

On point 5 - LOL at the USPS noticing oddities. Yes if one address is sending huge #s but does anyone believe the USPS is really the gatekeeper of detecting fraudulent ballots?

On point 6 - LOL again. If a political party wants power badly enough these penalties are not going to stop it. People commit felonies every day even though there are harsh penalties.

The lynchpin is the voter roll. Political parties having access to them and voting histories allows them to potentially identify names on the rolls that are not going to be voting.

Just to avoid the inevitable freak out - I'm not saying it is happening. I'm pointing out that the arguments in this article are not convincing and fraud can occur within the mail in system

Are you suprised it was attached as a reference?

You can only imagine the number of holes in the remaining articles.

 

[Majors]

Which is why people believe in rampant fraud and why they’re still “counting”’votes 3 days later.

But it's supposed to be ok because democracy is on the ballot. Nothing to see here is a state with the population of 3.1M for Nevada and 7.2M in AZ. How dare Florida with their 21M get it over so fast.

 

[TN Ribs]

I routinely do business in my circle. Which consists of church and my kids private school. I just don’t seem to run across many libs. Which is by design

I choose to celebrate this great melting pot called America and all it's diversity.

 

[Grand Vol]

I do have an issue with mail in ballots...

If they aren't postmarked at least the day before the election, they shouldn't be counted. Because if you can drag yourself to a mailbox, you can go vote. Or go early.

Even with the ineptitude of the USPS, there is no reason not to plan ahead and send it in.

 

[BreatheUT]

I routinely do business in my circle. Which consists of church and my kids private school. I just don’t seem to run across many libs. Which is by design

You might be privileged. You just need to go to the crime ridden areas with bad schools.

 

[Jxn Vol]

I choose to celebrate this great melting pot called America and all it's diversity.

I enjoy it also. Maybe more than you. Just choose to avoid idiots and fools the best I can.

 

[Jxn Vol]

You might be privileged. You just need to go to the crime ridden areas with bad schools.

The harder I work the luckier I get.

 

[BreatheUT]

The harder I work the luckier I get.

Sounds like coincidence to me.

 

[BreatheUT]

Just looking at this New York governor's race. The democrats won in spite of Hochul. She's terrible. She won by 300k votes in a state with 2M more registered democrats.