Election Night (or days, or weeks, or whatever) 2022

[BreatheUT]

Also in state, leftist Steve Cohen, was up against a black female Republican. Clearly Cohen has a hold on that part of the state but the diversity of candidates on the Republican side is promising for the party. This is why the democrats are changing the message from republicans are racists to threats to democracy. The go from one unexplainable platitude to another.

 

[hog88]

I said several times in this forum over the last few years that this was going to happen, and I was told that I didn't know what I was talking about. It already happened to Arizona, and it will happen to Tennessee over time as well.

GA and TX will fall and TN and FL won’t be far behind.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

GA and TX will fall and TN and FL won’t be far behind.

Unfortunate but true. Promise free and dumbass Genz will beg for it. Even though nothing is ever actually free.

 

[BreatheUT]

GA and TX will fall and TN and FL won’t be far behind.

Georgia is not far off from Pennsylvania now. It's the only state in the south that's different from the rest. Atlanta has been overrun with libs and the rest of the state doesn't have enough population eventhough the area or square miles is big.

 

[BreatheUT]

Unfortunate but true. Promise free and dumbass Genz will beg for it. Even though nothing is ever actually free.

I think they hope illegal immigration is their ticket to fast track the transition.

 

[BreatheUT]

Expanding the footprint.

 

[Orangeburst]

3 days later and all this counting. Pathetic.

 

[C-south]

3 days later and all this counting. Pathetic.

Must be the handwriting experts slowing things down.

 

[davethevol]

Georgia is not far off from Pennsylvania now. It's the only state in the south that's different from the rest. Atlanta has been overrun with libs and the rest of the state doesn't have enough population eventhough the area or square miles is big.

Knoxville has been overrun with libs too. This last election showed it. Nashville is pretty blue, so it’s not far off before this state goes Dem. It’s going to happen in my lifetime, which is depressing.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I just read through the first one and while I don't believe there is any massive fraud the article is naive or misleading.

On point 1 it says only "valid voters" are mailed ballots. Valid is defined as being on the voter rolls and there is no guarantee that all names on the rolls are valid. In fact we know that voter rolls contain errors such as people dying, moving, etc. So if there are invalid names on the rolls ballots can be in the hands of invalid voters. Political parties have access to the rolls in many states (eg. Abrams' team had access to the GA voter rolls).

On point 2 the idea it's difficult to make fake ballots is grounded in differences between voting areas (eg. state to state or possibly county to county). None of that precludes the production of fake ballots within a state or county.

On point 3 we've seen highly varying standards on what "signature verification" means and efforts to waive it altogether.

On point 4 - same as point 2.

On point 5 - LOL at the USPS noticing oddities. Yes if one address is sending huge #s but does anyone believe the USPS is really the gatekeeper of detecting fraudulent ballots?

On point 6 - LOL again. If a political party wants power badly enough these penalties are not going to stop it. People commit felonies every day even though there are harsh penalties.

The lynchpin is the voter roll. Political parties having access to them and voting histories allows them to potentially identify names on the rolls that are not going to be voting.

Just to avoid the inevitable freak out - I'm not saying it is happening. I'm pointing out that the arguments in this article are not convincing and fraud can occur within the mail in system

The other 4 linked sources do go into greater detail than the first one did.

There is zero evidence that mail-in voting contributes to an increase in the percentage of fraudulent votes being cast. This is nothing but a crutch for Republicans to lean on when they lose elections. It is true, that in most jurisdictions, the majority of mail-in/absentee ballots being submitted favor candidates from the Democratic Party. That is largely attributable to how much time Republicans have spent casting suspicion on the security of mail-in balloting. There is no evidence to support this belief.

 

[BowlBrother85]

So, are you interested in the property or no? I need a new boat for next fall.

Post a link to a source which supports your contention that mail-in balloting leads to increases in voter fraud. I have supported my belief with multiple links to sources of information. You have done nothing but make unsubstantiated claims.

 

[C-south]

Post a link to a source which supports your contention that mail-in balloting leads to increases in voter fraud. I have supported my belief with multiple links to sources of information. You have done nothing but make unsubstantiated claims.

Your sources were trash. Of all things voting should be the number one thing that should be done in person under strict security measures.

 

[BreatheUT]

Your sources were trash. Of all things voting should be the number one thing that should be done in person under strict security measures.

He's not very smart but it hasn't stopped him.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Your sources were trash. Of all things voting should be the number one thing that should be done in person under strict security measures.

I do not believe for a minute, that you even bothered to click on any of them. You are too closed-minded to put forth even a moment's worth of effort to enlighten yourself. This is the Grumpy Old Men from Mayberry forum. The 1960's are over. Mail-in balloting isn't going away.

These were the 5 sources that I used :

1) The Conversation
2) The Brennan Center
3) Columbia University
4) The National Conference of State Legislatures
5) San Diego Union Tribune

* In case you are unfamiliar with Conversation.com, it was founded in Melbourne, Australia in 2011, to serve as a network of not-for-profit media outlets publishing news stories and research reports online, with accompanying expert opinion and analysis. The articles which appear are written by academics and researchers; not political pundits or journalists.

 

[BreatheUT]

I do not believe for a minute, that you even bothered to click on any of them. You are too closed-minded to put forth even a moment's worth of effort to enlighten yourself. This is the Grumpy Old Men from Mayberry forum. The 1960's are over. Mail-in balloting isn't going away.

These were the 5 sources that I used :

1) The Conversation
2) The Brennan Center
3) Columbia University
4) The National Conference of State Legislatures
5) San Diego Union Tribune

* In case you are unfamiliar with Conversation.com, it was founded in Melbourne, Australia in 2011, to serve as a network of not-for-profit media outlets publishing news stories and research reports online, with accompanying expert opinion and analysis. The articles which appear are written by academics and researchers; not political pundits or journalists.

This all started due to government overreach during COVID-19. Before that we did not have these problems. Now democrats want to label this as normal because it allows them to ballot harvest from low info voters. The greatest country in the world should not take days/weeks to finalize elections with phony rules made up during lockdowns to lax internal controls.

 

[BowlBrother85]

He's not very smart but it hasn't stopped him.

None of you have posted any links to sources of information in support of your belief that mail-in voting increases voter fraud. I have posted 5 links which assert the opposite.

You do nothing but cling to snarky comments, and unsubstantiated declarations. Comments similar to the one above, is all you've got. It is closed-minded and childish.

 

[BowlBrother85]

This all started due to government overreach during COVID-19. Before that we did not have these problems. Now democrats want to label this as normal because it allows them to ballot harvest from low info voters. The greatest country in the world should not take days/weeks to finalize elections with phony rules made up during lockdowns to lax internal controls.

Mail-in voting did not begin with the COVID-19 pandemic of 2020, and we do not have a problem of fraud, associated with mail-in voting either. There are definitely not "lax internal controls." That is pure BS.

1) Vote-by-Mail Programs Date Back to the Civil War

2) How Americans Have Voted Through History: From Voices to Screens

3) A Brief History of Voting by Mail

... and because sources are always scrutinized :

1 & 2) The 1st and 2nd source is History.com
3) The 3rd source is Time.

 

[Matt2496]

Nevada Republican Joe Lombardo defeats incumbent Democrat Steve Sisolak in gubernatorial election

 

[AM64]

Check out this Pew Pole.if you believe in Poles.
If read correctly and then looking at trends tab, TN is actually more Republican in 2022 than 2007.

Wadda ya think?

Religious Landscape Study

NM..I think this is a religious study..Cannot tell. Looking for data by year.

Yeah, once I picked up on the religious point of view, I had sincere doubt that it really reflects the general public. Interesting info, but doesn't look particularly useful overall. Also the way they broke most graphs down by party really doesn't help much even if it hadn't been biased by the religious aspect.

 

[AM64]

I know for a fact mine isn't even close. When I filled mine out I was younger and thought you had to have a perfect signature so you could read every letter. Now you're lucky if you can tell one or two. If mail in voting is being done honestly there is 0 chance my vote should count.

Mine, too. My first name begins with a G, but I've always used my middle name - my parents started that from birth. Anyway "G" is the hardest letter for me to write and proportion correctly - they never come out the same way twice - the harder I try the worse it gets. I also found my writing became less deliberate with age - distinct letters often become humps - depending on whether I'm distracted, in a hurry, or whatever. We just don't write much anymore, and it takes a toll.

 

[AM64]

The other 4 linked sources do go into greater detail than the first one did.

There is zero evidence that mail-in voting contributes to an increase in the percentage of fraudulent votes being cast. This is nothing but a crutch for Republicans to lean on when they lose elections. It is true, that in most jurisdictions, the majority of mail-in/absentee ballots being submitted favor candidates from the Democratic Party. That is largely attributable to how much time Republicans have spent casting suspicion on the security of mail-in balloting. There is no evidence to support this belief.

Yeah, well, I'd be willing to bet there's zero evidence that says mail in voting doesn't increase the percentage of fraudulent votes, too. If you want to know how things actually work, you actually have to investigate - not just throw out spurious claims.

 

[ETV]

Mine, too. My first name begins with a G, but I've always used my middle name - my parents started that from birth. Anyway "G" is the hardest letter for me to write and proportion correctly - they never come out the same way twice - the harder I try the worse it gets. I also found my writing became less deliberate with age - distinct letters often become humps - depending on whether I'm distracted, in a hurry, or whatever. We just don't write much anymore, and it takes a toll.

Oh how I can relate. In my younger years, my signature and penmanship had to be near perfect. As I have aged, the first name is the only part of signature that's legible anymore.

 

[BreatheUT]

I know for a fact mine isn't even close. When I filled mine out I was younger and thought you had to have a perfect signature so you could read every letter. Now you're lucky if you can tell one or two. If mail in voting is being done honestly there is 0 chance my vote should count.

As I was signing my form in front of an election worker I was thinking I hope they don't expect my scribble to match the better technique I used years ago.

 

[ETV]

GA and TX will fall and TN and FL won’t be far behind.

Whoa. Hold on there, TX will be the last one to go. Remember the Alamo!

 

[BowlBrother85]

Yeah, well, I'd be willing to bet there's zero evidence that says mail in voting doesn't increase the percentage of fraudulent votes, too. If you want to know how things actually work, you actually have to investigate - not just throw out spurious claims.

The burden of proof rests with the party who is making the accusations of wrongdoing, or the "spurious claims." In this instance, that would be Republicans.

Btw, Mark Kelly just took Arizona, with the difference between Laxalt and Masto now down to less than 1,000 votes in Nevada ... and still 5% of the tally left to come from Clark County. It's over, fellas. The Democrats will retain control of the Senate, regardless of what happens in Georgia.