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K-town Vol Fan said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...lfp-batteries-in-all-standard-range-cars.html

As the world shifts to EVs the technology around the batteries is going to change rapidly.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...lfp-batteries-in-all-standard-range-cars.html
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I don’t share your optimism.
I have friends in the industry and they say there’s currently no solution and nothing promising. Their hope is in synthetic diesel that burns without greenhouse gases.

Ask yourself why musk is spending so much money in development of the synthetic fuel.
 
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MG1968 said:
Does it matter? How else do you do you get a Tesla going again?
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It matters because where that picture was most likely taken, Dubai, there are only around 500 Tesla charging POINTS. There are already over 1300 supercharging STATIONS (some have 50+ stalls) in the US.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I don’t share your optimism.
I have friends in the industry and they say there’s currently no solution and nothing promising. Their hope is in synthetic diesel that burns without greenhouse gases.

Ask yourself why musk is spending so much money in development of the synthetic fuel.
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Just saying, the article you said "holy ****" about, the technology is already dated.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
It matters because where that picture was most likely taken, Dubai, there are only around 500 Tesla charging POINTS. There are already over 1300 supercharging STATIONS (some have 50+ stalls) in the US.
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Are you aware if the infrastructure problem with the electrical grid?
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Just saying, the article you said "holy ****" about, the technology is already dated.
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And yet it’s still going on.
The damage being done is unbelievable
it’s a real holy **** problem to people who actually care about the real pollution problem


Electrical will never overcome diesel as the main source of transportation
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Are you aware if the infrastructure problem with the electrical grid?
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Again, its just going to take time for the technology to catch up. Saying "oh it'll never work" is not the answer. Oil is a finite resource. Invest in technology and research, we'll be flying around like the aliens in the next 100 years.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Again, its just going to take time for the technology to catch up. Saying "oh it'll never work" is not the answer. Oil is a finite resource. Invest in technology and research, we'll be flying around like the aliens in the next 100 years.
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We could go with the solution that already exists and doesn’t require huge infrastructure upgrades that we can’t afford.
Edit: we only have a 1000 years of oil left at current usage rates. Natural gas is renewable and has to be burned off. Algae/synthetic diesel is also renewable and burns without greenhouse gases. But sure let’s wish on a better version of EV while we rape the planet and kill on average of 2 slave laborers for every 5 EV batteries we produce

You know why the gas companies are not scared? Because they know EVs above 20% of the market isn’t a possibility.
 
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Anticipate rolling brown outs this summer in the west.
And they still are not spending any money on upgrades to the infrastructure. When are they supposed to change their cars?
 
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is a Level 1 Charging Station?
A Level 1 charging station is the simplest of the three types. The charging cable that comes with the purchase or lease of an EV is essentially a Level 1 charger. These chargers use basic house electrical current—110-120-volt AC—and many simply plug into a standard grounded wall socket using a common three-prong plug.

The simplicity and low cost of Level 1 chargers are appealing, but their downside is slow—sometimes agonizingly slow—battery recharge times. A good rule of thumb for recharging an EV using a Level 1 charger is four to six miles of battery range for every hour of charging. If your EV has 200 miles of range on a full battery, it can take 35 to 50 hours to recharge the car fully.

We recommend using Level 1 charging solutions only with plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEV). With a typical PHEV, you can easily recharge the battery overnight.

What is a Level 2 Charging Station?
Next up on the EV charging station scale is the Level 2 charger. Level 2 units use 240-volt circuits—the kind typically used for electric clothes dryers.

Some Level 2 charging stations are portable and use the special multi-pronged plug and associated outlet used for clothes dryers. Many homes have such a circuit and outlet in their laundry rooms. But, of course, it is inconvenient to unplug your dryer so you can plug in the charger for your electric car.

For that reason, the vast majority of people who install a Level 2 charging station in their home hire an electrician to run a 240-volt circuit to their garage. Once the power is accessible in the garage, consumers can have the charging station "hard-wired" into that circuit. Or they can plug a portable Level 2 charger into that special 240-volt socket in their garage while also enjoying the ability to take the charger on the road with them.

Indeed, hiring an electrician and changing the home's electrical system can be a costly hassle. But the big advantage is much faster recharging rates that speed recharge times. A Level 2 charging station will often recharge an EV battery in a quarter of the time it would take with a Level 1 charging unit, making it the best charging station for people who buy a purely electric car.

You can recharge the battery for an EV with 200 miles of range in about 10 hours or less. Use a Level 2 charging station with a PHEV, and you can recharge in under four hours.

What is a Level 3 Charging Station?
The third type of electric car charging station is a Level 3, and it is designed for commercial use or for those looking to make a quick stop before getting back on the road.

Level 3 charging stations enable DC fast charging (DCFC), which provides much quicker charging times. Some Level 3 charging stations can bring an EV battery up from discharged to a full charge in an hour or less. Some of the newest EV models offer 400-volt and 800-volt charging architecture, which may allow a high-power battery to replenish from 10 percent to 80 percent in under 20 minutes. That may be lightning-quick, but one can expect Level 3 charging times to get even shorter. The eventual goal is to rival the time needed to fuel a vehicle at a conventional gas station.

Complete installation of a Level 3 charging station could easily cost $50,000. But even if you have that kind of money to spend, it is unlikely that your electricity-supplying utility would authorize a Level 3 charger installation in your home because the electrical grid in many residential areas won't support it.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
is a Level 1 Charging Station?
A Level 1 charging station is the simplest of the three types. The charging cable that comes with the purchase or lease of an EV is essentially a Level 1 charger. These chargers use basic house electrical current—110-120-volt AC—and many simply plug into a standard grounded wall socket using a common three-prong plug.

The simplicity and low cost of Level 1 chargers are appealing, but their downside is slow—sometimes agonizingly slow—battery recharge times. A good rule of thumb for recharging an EV using a Level 1 charger is four to six miles of battery range for every hour of charging. If your EV has 200 miles of range on a full battery, it can take 35 to 50 hours to recharge the car fully.

We recommend using Level 1 charging solutions only with plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEV). With a typical PHEV, you can easily recharge the battery overnight.

What is a Level 2 Charging Station?
Next up on the EV charging station scale is the Level 2 charger. Level 2 units use 240-volt circuits—the kind typically used for electric clothes dryers.

Some Level 2 charging stations are portable and use the special multi-pronged plug and associated outlet used for clothes dryers. Many homes have such a circuit and outlet in their laundry rooms. But, of course, it is inconvenient to unplug your dryer so you can plug in the charger for your electric car.

For that reason, the vast majority of people who install a Level 2 charging station in their home hire an electrician to run a 240-volt circuit to their garage. Once the power is accessible in the garage, consumers can have the charging station "hard-wired" into that circuit. Or they can plug a portable Level 2 charger into that special 240-volt socket in their garage while also enjoying the ability to take the charger on the road with them.

Indeed, hiring an electrician and changing the home's electrical system can be a costly hassle. But the big advantage is much faster recharging rates that speed recharge times. A Level 2 charging station will often recharge an EV battery in a quarter of the time it would take with a Level 1 charging unit, making it the best charging station for people who buy a purely electric car.

You can recharge the battery for an EV with 200 miles of range in about 10 hours or less. Use a Level 2 charging station with a PHEV, and you can recharge in under four hours.

What is a Level 3 Charging Station?
The third type of electric car charging station is a Level 3, and it is designed for commercial use or for those looking to make a quick stop before getting back on the road.

Level 3 charging stations enable DC fast charging (DCFC), which provides much quicker charging times. Some Level 3 charging stations can bring an EV battery up from discharged to a full charge in an hour or less. Some of the newest EV models offer 400-volt and 800-volt charging architecture, which may allow a high-power battery to replenish from 10 percent to 80 percent in under 20 minutes. That may be lightning-quick, but one can expect Level 3 charging times to get even shorter. The eventual goal is to rival the time needed to fuel a vehicle at a conventional gas station.

Complete installation of a Level 3 charging station could easily cost $50,000. But even if you have that kind of money to spend, it is unlikely that your electricity-supplying utility would authorize a Level 3 charger installation in your home because the electrical grid in many residential areas won't support it.
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You know Tesla has supercharging stations that are free, right? And I think most people who buy an EV are willing to add another dryer outlet to their home. But people who have a short commute don't really even need that.

No one needs a "level 3" station at their home. Thats just unreasonable, unless ypu are rich and don't care about the money.
 
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