‘23 EN TE Emmanuel Okoye (Tennessee commit)

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chandler bing said:
We aren't at a point program wise where we should be taking players that are 2 to 3 year projects just because they have immense potential. We are short on bodies at TE as it is. We need guys who can contribute quickly and provide good depth. Just 2 years ago we had 68 scholarship players. Yes Huepel has done a fantastic job to rebuild the program so quickly, but we are still a ways depth wise compared to UGA, BAMA, tOSU etc... We can't afford to suffer a couple injuries at TE for example and have this guy in the 2 deep next year. We need guys who can play soon still.

Huepel has us closing that gap faster than any of us had thought possible, but we aren't at a point where you can take on too many projects. When we are 3 deep at almost every position, and playing time is at a minimum, than you start taking a couple of projects with huge upside that are ok sitting and learning the game for 2-3 years before they contribute. We need guys ready to play and be in the 2 deep right now at TE and DE.
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How did Heupel respond when you told him which recruits he should and shouldn’t be taking?
 
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chandler bing said:
We aren't at a point program wise where we should be taking players that are 2 to 3 year projects just because they have immense potential. We are short on bodies at TE as it is. We need guys who can contribute quickly and provide good depth. Just 2 years ago we had 68 scholarship players. Yes Huepel has done a fantastic job to rebuild the program so quickly, but we are still a ways depth wise compared to UGA, BAMA, tOSU etc... We can't afford to suffer a couple injuries at TE for example and have this guy in the 2 deep next year. We need guys who can play soon still.

Huepel has us closing that gap faster than any of us had thought possible, but we aren't at a point where you can take on too many projects. When we are 3 deep at almost every position, and playing time is at a minimum, than you start taking a couple of projects with huge upside that are ok sitting and learning the game for 2-3 years before they contribute. We need guys ready to play and be in the 2 deep right now at TE and DE.
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Heupel has a profile. All good coaches do and most bad coaches do. Heupel seems to place a lot of emphasis on getting guys who will not leave the program due to behavior or grades. After that he goes from top down. He doe not seem to be taking a lot of academic or character risks even to get elite talent. He's taking the "projects" even if it takes longer to get there.

Thing is... it hasn't taken him long to get there and especially with offensive players.
 
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chandler bing said:
I understand the excitement people have about these athletic freak types that are projects. However, that being said, since this guy projects to TE or EDGE, i'm not sure he is a take for me, considering our board for the 24' class.

At TE we all ready have Echols, and we are in the top 3 for Reddell, Caleb Odom, Max Leblanc, Dillon Hipp, JaCorey Whitted, and Colton Heinrich.

At EDGE besides who we already have on campus, we are the leaders for Jordan Ross and Kameryn Fountain. We are actively recruiting Jamonta Waller, Dylan Stewart, Eddrick Houston, Danny Okoye, and Kellen Lindstrom.

I'm not sure if we need to go after a project guy considering who we are already recruiting at these 2 position groups. Maybe as a back up guy, but Emmanuel seems to want to make a decision fairly soon, and he looks like he has a lot of big offers to choose from, so i'm not sure if i'd take his commitment right now even if he wanted to jump in the boat considering we have some extremely talented and much more polished players we are in good shape with.
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Can you please show us the coaches board for this class? Not your version. Not APs or Volquests version. Show us the coaches board for players in the 2024 class. Show it.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Can you please show us the coaches board for this class? Not your version. Not APs or Volquests version. Show us the coaches board for players in the 2024 class. Show it.
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You don't have to be a professional scout to be able to look at this Emmanuel's tape, look at the competition, and come to an obvious conclusion this kid is a huge project. Yes he has impressive measurables, but his instincts and football skills are lacking severely right now. Why is the coaches board relevant to this discussion. Regardless of the other players we are recruiting, this guy is clearly a project. How much the staff likes this kids personality after meeting him on the visit, estimating his work ethic and drive, and other intangibles may move him up the board compared to some of the other guys we are recruiting, this is entirely possible; but at the end of the day this guy is a good 2-3 years away from contributing meaningful snaps in the SEC.

With the way we are recruiting currently and who has visited and is interested in us, it seems like the easy choice for me would be to take Jordan Ross, Fountain and 1 of the other guys in that group at EDGE. I would agree with the other poster that Fountain is likely a SDE, with the future ability to move inside on obvious passing downs. If we don't land any of those top tier guys, then this guy would be a nice fall back. However, with the offers this kid has gotten lately, he doesn't seem to be a fall back option, he appears like he is going to end up at one of the better P5 programs looking at his recent offers and his upcoming visits scheduled, which is unfortunate that he's been found out, but based on where we are right now before July hits and the big guys across the country start committing, this is a guy i would take looking at who we have chances with.
 
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chandler bing said:
You don't have to be a professional scout to be able to look at this Emmanuel's tape, look at the competition, and come to an obvious conclusion this kid is a huge project. Yes he has impressive measurables, but his instincts and football skills are lacking severely right now. Why is the coaches board relevant to this discussion. Regardless of the other players we are recruiting, this guy is clearly a project. How much the staff likes this kids personality after meeting him on the visit, estimating his work ethic and drive, and other intangibles may move him up the board compared to some of the other guys we are recruiting, this is entirely possible; but at the end of the day this guy is a good 2-3 years away from contributing meaningful snaps in the SEC.

With the way we are recruiting currently and who has visited and is interested in us, it seems like the easy choice for me would be to take Jordan Ross, Fountain and 1 of the other guys in that group at EDGE. I would agree with the other poster that Fountain is likely a SDE, with the future ability to move inside on obvious passing downs. If we don't land any of those top tier guys, then this guy would be a nice fall back. However, with the offers this kid has gotten lately, he doesn't seem to be a fall back option, he appears like he is going to end up at one of the better P5 programs looking at his recent offers and his upcoming visits scheduled, which is unfortunate that he's been found out, but based on where we are right now before July hits and the big guys across the country start committing, this is a guy i would take looking at who we have chances with.
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Are you keeping up with what GA is doing? Are you bored? Just to be clear, we love our coach and his ability to spot the talent and character he wants like Cam. Really fun to watch.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
Are you keeping up with what GA is doing? Are you bored? Just to be clear, we love our coach and his ability to spot the talent and character he wants like Cam. Really fun to watch.
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Am i suddenly on a GA board? What kind of stupid responses are these?

1. Cam Seldon was a top 100 kid, ran a 10.7 in the 100 and was ready to come in and compete at RB and WR from day 1. How is Cam Seldon even remotely similar to Emmanuel Okoye? Okoye has played football for less than 1.5 years, he's is in some NFL Europe program and he is originally from Nigeria and has only lived in London for a short while. He is new to football, have you watched his tape? No one in this thread is questioning or insulting Josh Huepel and his staff so again wtf are you talking about? "Just to be clear," maybe you need to take some reading comprehension classes.

2. Jeremious Heard is relatively a project player, he has also played football for just a couple years. Go watch his tape. He is wayyyy farther along than Okoye as a football player. He is clearly very coordinated in his movements and you can tell his many years of playing basketball has helped him with football skills indirectly. Further, he happens to play a position where we are much deeper at, thus you don't see me questioning taking this kid. He looks like he can be a beast very quickly.

3. Jesse Perry is very raw, and will need some time to gain 30-40 lbs to play OT for us. He looks like a very athletic prospect with the skillset and attitude that the staff obviously prefers. You don't see me questioning taking his commitment.

Okoye is imo not any of the guys level as far as his football development as a lot of the underrated guys this staff has previously taken. He is very very raw, he is at a minimum 2-3 years away from being an SEC level player. This isn't some minor project like taking a guy thats played football for a long time and switching him to a new position, or adding 30 lbs of muscle, losing 30 lbs of fat (larry Johnson).

At least try to have some logic if you disagree with my opinion. A few of the previous posters on the last page brought up good arguments and had sound logic behind there posts yet disagreed with my opinion, but man a couple of the last posts are simply braindead.
 
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chandler bing said:
Am i suddenly on a GA board? What kind of stupid responses are these?

1. Cam Seldon was a top 100 kid, ran a 10.7 in the 100 and was ready to come in and compete at RB and WR from day 1. How is Cam Seldon even remotely similar to Emmanuel Okoye? Okoye has played football, actually he's only played an organized sport, for less than 1.5 years, he's is in some NFL Europe program and he is originally from Nigeria and has only lived in London for a short while. He is new to football, have you watched his tape? No one in this thread is questioning or insulting Josh Huepel and his staff so again wtf are you talking about? "Just to be clear," maybe you need to take some reading comprehension classes.

2. Jeremious Heard is relatively a project player, he has also played football for just a couple years. Go watch his tape. He is wayyyy farther along than Okoye as a football player. He is clearly very coordinated in his movements and you can tell his many years of playing basketball has helped him with football skills indirectly. Further, he happens to play a position where we are much deeper at, thus you don't see me questioning taking this kid. He looks like he can be a beast very quickly.

3. Jesse Perry is very raw, and will need some time to gain 30-40 lbs to play OT for us. He looks like a very athletic prospect with the skillset and attitude that the staff obviously prefers. You don't see me questioning taking his commitment.

Okoye is imo not any of the guys level as far as his football development as a lot of the underrated guys this staff has previously taken. He is very very raw, he is at a minimum 2-3 years away from being an SEC level player. This isn't some minor project like taking a guy thats played football for a long time and switching him to a new position, or adding 30 lbs of muscle, losing 30 lbs of fat (larry Johnson). This is literally teaching a kid who has not grown up watching much football, who hasn't played other sports like basketball or baseball and decided late to switch to football, no this is taking a kid who is new to SPORTS as a whole, i mean if you watch his film, it is easy to see he is still learning how to be coordinated with his movements, and he is a bit unnatural and awkward still, this is a real project and the positions he projects too are positions that IMO we are not very deep at.

At least try to have some logic if you disagree with my opinion. A few of the previous posters on the last page brought up good arguments and had sound logic behind there posts yet disagreed with my opinion, but man a couple of the last posts are simply braindead.
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chandler bing said:
We aren't at a point program wise where we should be taking players that are 2 to 3 year projects just because they have immense potential. We are short on bodies at TE as it is. We need guys who can contribute quickly and provide good depth. Just 2 years ago we had 68 scholarship players. Yes Huepel has done a fantastic job to rebuild the program so quickly, but we are still a ways depth wise compared to UGA, BAMA, tOSU etc... We can't afford to suffer a couple injuries at TE for example and have this guy in the 2 deep next year. We need guys who can play soon still.

Huepel has us closing that gap faster than any of us had thought possible, but we aren't at a point where you can take on too many projects. When we are 3 deep at almost every position, and playing time is at a minimum, than you start taking a couple of projects with huge upside that are ok sitting and learning the game for 2-3 years before they contribute. We need guys ready to play and be in the 2 deep right now at TE and DE.
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Did not realize that you were on the coaching staff at Tennessee.Are you Coach Garner or Coach Heupel ? I do not believe you are Coach Heupel because you would have certainly spelled your name correctly ? Do not believe you are Coach Garner either because Coach Garner is hard after this young man ......recruiting him hard so he must think he will work in just fine or the whole Coaching staff believe he is worthy of a scholarship investment.So I tend to go with the Coaching staff on whether or not to take this athlete.....they tend to have better evaluation skills than the average citizen and members of this board.
 
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This kid is very athletic for his size... yes, raw and as most are saying a project, but this kid looks like if coached up even a little, it will be "just go run over there to that hash and catch the ball and then go to the checkerboards" or "hey when the ball is snapped, move anyone out of the way that's in front of you and go tackle the QB"... :cool:
 
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volunteerlane said:
Would be huge to add another TE this summer
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Thought he was an edge?

Also doubt a guy that’s graduating early and not played a ton of football would be of any use this fall. Likely redshirting and trying to get ahead of the 24 EEs to close the knowledge gap before spring ball.
 
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vol_in_ga said:
Thought he was an edge?

Also doubt a guy that’s graduating early and not played a ton of football would be of any use this fall. Likely redshirting and trying to get ahead of the 24 EEs to close the knowledge gap before spring ball.
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Per VQ, he could play either.

“The London based athlete could play edge or tight end in college. Tennessee along with Vanderbilt and Georgia are getting official visits while he is in the states. He plays for the NFL Academy and while raw, has big-time upside with his length and speed.”
 
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chandler bing said:
You don't have to be a professional scout to be able to look at this Emmanuel's tape, look at the competition, and come to an obvious conclusion this kid is a huge project. Yes he has impressive measurables, but his instincts and football skills are lacking severely right now. Why is the coaches board relevant to this discussion. Regardless of the other players we are recruiting, this guy is clearly a project. How much the staff likes this kids personality after meeting him on the visit, estimating his work ethic and drive, and other intangibles may move him up the board compared to some of the other guys we are recruiting, this is entirely possible; but at the end of the day this guy is a good 2-3 years away from contributing meaningful snaps in the SEC.

With the way we are recruiting currently and who has visited and is interested in us, it seems like the easy choice for me would be to take Jordan Ross, Fountain and 1 of the other guys in that group at EDGE. I would agree with the other poster that Fountain is likely a SDE, with the future ability to move inside on obvious passing downs. If we don't land any of those top tier guys, then this guy would be a nice fall back. However, with the offers this kid has gotten lately, he doesn't seem to be a fall back option, he appears like he is going to end up at one of the better P5 programs looking at his recent offers and his upcoming visits scheduled, which is unfortunate that he's been found out, but based on where we are right now before July hits and the big guys across the country start committing, this is a guy i would take looking at who we have chances with.
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You talked like you know the recruiting board. Let’s see it. Stop deflecting and put up or shut up.
 
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