End of Driver’s Licensing

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VolStrom said:
It probably won't show up on the quote, but I had to laugh when I saw "following too closely" as a serious moving violation. Every time before I was pulled over, the police planted their car within 2 feet of the back of my car. I could have tapped the brakes and they would have rear ended me. Think they would have written themselves a ticket if they hit me?
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I’ve seen officers written or disciplined or fired for wrecking patrol cars. I will say that’s one thing KPD took seriously
 
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VolStrom said:
It probably won't show up on the quote, but I had to laugh when I saw "following too closely" as a serious moving violation. Every time before I was pulled over, the police planted their car within 2 feet of the back of my car. I could have tapped the brakes and they would have rear ended me. Think they would have written themselves a ticket if they hit me?
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Another good example.

About 15 years ago, I was riding in the backseat of my cousin's car. My cousin was driving and a buddy of his was in the passenger's seat. My other cousin (the driver's brother) was also in the backseat with me. It's about midnight and we were coming back to his house after a run to Sonic. At an intersection, we pass by a cop who was stopped at the stop sign wanting to turn right and go the same direction down the road as we were. When we passed him, I instinctively looked at the speedometer to see if my cousin was speeding and saw that he was doing 49; the limit is 45. For about 30 seconds, the cop sits at that intersection, then suddenly takes off at what had to be a high rate of speed to eventually catch up with and begin tailgating us.

After tailgating us for a couple of minutes, and us all laughing and going "Is he going to pull us over?" he turns his lights on and we pull over. He walks up to the car and it takes him a minute to get around to telling us that we were being pulled over for speeding; the first questions he asked were where we were coming from and where we were going. He's also shining his flashlight all throughout the car, and a couple of minutes into the stop another cop arrives and also starts walking around the car, shining his light around around in it. He eventually lets my cousin off with a warning.

Was that "nefarious?" No. I mean technically, my cousin was speeding. However do I think we were truly pulled over for "speeding?" No. If a single middle-aged person was driving, or if it was 3:00 in the afternoon, I guarantee you we don't get pulled over. We got pulled over because a cop saw a car with 4 young people in it out in a rural area late at night, figured there was a good chance we were up to no good, and knew he could use going 4 MPH over the posted speed limit as the hook. It's stuff like that, which isn't about "protect and serve," that makes up like 95% of a cop's day to day job. In that entire incident, the most dangerous aspect of it was the cop flooring it to catch up with us and then tailgating us for a handful of minutes before making the stop.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Yes and the point was sometimes police are sued or disciplined for “not taking action” and letting certain people go and they end up doing something worse
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Seems like you all are more concerned about cutting someone a break and getting sued than you are of shooting someone and getting sued.

Do cops not get the same immunity for cutting someone slack as they would for shooting someone?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Seems like you all are more concerned about cutting someone a break and getting sued than you are of shooting someone and getting sued.

Do cops not get the same immunity for cutting someone slack as they would for shooting someone?
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You obviously don’t understand the civil or criminal systems. Officers don’t want to be sued. And they don’t want to have to shoot people either.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
And again. You lack the experience and understanding of these situations that people who become belligerent and refuse to leave property will be escorted off or arrested and they should be because they are morons who don’t respect the business owners rights
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I've been to college and lived through some things in my 20s. I've seen plenty of people get kicked out of house parties, events, clubs, bars, etc and I've had ti help wrestle down some guys that were drunk and/or arguing with their girlfriends. Cops weren't called except in a few occasions. And even then, it was debatable if they were needed.

I'm sure if you asked a few people that were in the mili6if they've had to kick people out of places, they could tell you the same thing. Cops aren't needed all the time.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You obviously don’t understand the civil or criminal systems. Officers don’t want to be sued. And they don’t want to have to shoot people either.
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Are police officers held personally responsible if they get sued? If, for example a jury decides a police officer was negligent and caused the death of someone for not arresting a possible intoxicated person, does the officer pay?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It’s legitimate if they can’t read your plate but I would never cite for that. Just say hey man get it fixed. Did they arrest you? I’m assuming you didn’t get it fixed since it happened twice?
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It's not a safety issue, so why harras the person?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've been to college and lived through some things in my 20s. I've seen plenty of people get kicked out of house parties, events, clubs, bars, etc and I've had ti help wrestle down some guys that were drunk and/or arguing with their girlfriends. Cops weren't called except in a few occasions. And even then, it was debatable if they were needed.

I'm sure if you asked a few people that were in the mili6if they've had to kick people out of places, they could tell you the same thing. Cops aren't needed all the time.
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Good for you. Your experiences aren’t everyone’s there are several similar incidents like yours were people get beat up, stabbed, shot or just need medical assistance and the EMS needs police for safety
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You assign nefarious motives to every officer on every stop and that’s just not the case at all
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If an officer is pulling me over, am I supposed to have the warm and fuzzies and expect a lollipop?

Or is it going to be something that will cost me time, money and possibly my freedom?

Maybe he's pulling me over to chit chat about the ball game last night?
 
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VolStrom said:
Are police officers held personally responsible if they get sued? If, for example a jury decides a police officer was negligent and caused the death of someone for not arresting a possible intoxicated person, does the officer pay?
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They can be sued yes. Anyone can file a civil lawsuit for any reason. Now some are easily dismissed and some aren’t but it happens.
 
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05_never_again said:
I wouldn't necessarily describe them as nefarious - that's too harsh a word. It isn't necessarily criminal what they are doing, at least not in normal or typical instances. "Nefarious" would be more like framing someone for a crime they didn't commit or police brutality.

Can they be disingenuous and try to get you to do something that isn't in your legal best interest? Yes, depending on the situation.

The fact that you don't seem to disagree with me when I say that ticky tack driving laws aren't there for public safety I think speaks volumes.
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They use those stops to establish probable cause.

Call it nefarious or just call it a clever legal tactic.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If an officer is pulling me over, am I supposed to have the warm and fuzzies and expect a lollipop?

Or is it going to be something that will cost me time, money and possibly my freedom?

Maybe he's pulling me over to chit chat about the ball game last night?
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Or hear me out. Maybe you committed a traffic violation or crime and he’s doing his job
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I wouldn’t have done that and neither would several hundred thousand police officers. But sure these two definitely show that all would be those “oath breakers” lol. You still think the army and police are going to round up your guns and vaxx you too 😂
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If ordered most cops would.
 
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VolStrom said:
It's Rickyvol vs volnation day 2..... bing
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Lol four posters aren’t “Vol nation” and I actually agree with some of them on their points and on other issues. But a couple want to generalize some and then just post inaccurate stuff
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Officers have discretion but the violation still has to follow the elements of the code. Why is this surprising?
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Because I'm wondering why that cop that pulled you over didn't site you for a cracked window. Maybe he cut you some slack/used discretion?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Lol four posters aren’t “Vol nation” and I actually agree with some of them on their points and on other issues. But a couple want to generalize some and then just post inaccurate stuff
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Well of course I'm generalizing... but that doesn't mean "all".

I'm sure there are good cops out there somewhere.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Because I'm wondering why that cop that pulled you over didn't site you for a cracked window. Maybe he cut you some slack/used discretion?
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Because it didn’t obstruct my vision. It was on the side of the window and they weren’t pulling me over for anything other than making sure I wasn’t the carjacker
 
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