End of Driver’s Licensing

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Rasputin_Vol said:
You did way more thinking about how they can ration6their actions than I have. I just think the profession attracts a certain demographic of the population that enjoys following orders and giving orders. Male version of a Karen. Instead of, "Can I see the manager?" it is " Can I see you identification? "
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Oh, there's no doubt it attracts male Karens. I've also thought for a long time it attracts people who wanted to be in the military, or have fantasies about being in the military, but for whatever reason never actually got into the military or wasn't cut out for military service. They view policing (incorrectly) as being similar to the military, or being the "next best thing" to it.

I was just hypothesizing about why police behave the way they do if find themselves in public controversy. I think because of the nature of how their profession is funded (e.g., they don't function in a market where their future depends on them providing value to customers; they need politicians to give them support/funding) they've collectively decided it is better for them image-wise to circle the wagons than it is to own up to it and purge bad actors from their ranks.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Bad legal decision. Change the law.

Isn't that what you cops tell us when we have a law we don't like?
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Yes and the point was sometimes police are sued or disciplined for “not taking action” and letting certain people go and they end up doing something worse
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
How did they not have a tag of a vehicle that was reported stolen? Seem like shoddy police work if true.
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It literally happened 5 min before. You believe everyone knows their license plate right off hand. Especially a person that didn’t own the car? If you were driving your moms car could you recite her license plate from memory in real time?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Ricky has been trained to profile you as a "sovereign citizen" if you start exercising your rights.
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No just nut jobs who don’t believe the police have the authority to pull them over and believe in conspiracies that the police and army are gonna confiscate your gunz and force you to get vaxxed
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The argument I was making was is this really a job the police need to be doing in many of these cases. They have bigger fish to fry than to be answering many of these petty azz calls a lot of times. Just because someone calls the cops fir someone not wearing a mask or for smoking... that doesn't mean that it is worthy of the cops coming.

Again... discretion.
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And again. You lack the experience and understanding of these situations that people who become belligerent and refuse to leave property will be escorted off or arrested and they should be because they are morons who don’t respect the business owners rights
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Sarcasm or not... I'm just saying.

Can police stop drivers over air fresheners? – Nexstar Media Wire

HOW MANY STATES PROHIBIT DRIVERS FROM HANGING OBJECTS FROM THEIR MIRRORS AND WINDSHIELDS?

At least five other states — California, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Texas and Illinois — have such laws, but the total number is unclear.
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Ok that sounds stupid. I would never cite someone for that nonsense but then again your issue is with the legislatures in those states
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It literally happened 5 min before. You believe everyone knows their license plate right off hand. Especially a person that didn’t own the car? If you were driving your moms car could you recite her license plate from memory in real time?
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No, but I could remember her name and birthdate. Pulling the plate would seem fairly easy from there.
 
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VolStrom said:
I got pulled over once for having one of two burned out. Was that legitimate or just a ruse to illegally harass me?
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It’s legitimate if they can’t read your plate but I would never cite for that. Just say hey man get it fixed. Did they arrest you? I’m assuming you didn’t get it fixed since it happened twice?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It’s legitimate if they can’t read your plate but I would never cite for that. Just say hey man get it fixed. Did they arrest you? I’m assuming you didn’t get it fixed since it happened twice?
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You and I both know the reason for that stop isn’t to cite the person for having a burned out bulb or politely inform them of it so they can get it fixed.

It’s to try and see if they can get that person for something more serious like drugs, DUI, illegal gun in car, etc. Even if there is no reason to suspect those things at the outset.

Ticky tack laws like that aren’t there for “safety;” they are there purely as pretexts to make a stop that they hope will lead to more serious offenses. Especially if the person appears out of place in some way.
 
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05_never_again said:
You and I both know the reason for that stop isn’t to cite the person for having a burned out bulb or politely inform them of it so they can get it fixed.

It’s to try and see if they can get that person for something more serious like drugs, DUI, illegal gun in car, etc. Even if there is no reason to suspect those things at the outset.

Ticky tack laws like that aren’t there for “safety;” there purely as pretexts to make a stop that they hope will lead to more serious offenses. Especially if the person appears out of place in some way.
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You assign nefarious motives to every officer on every stop and that’s just not the case at all
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You assign nefarious motives to every officer on every stop and that’s just not the case at all
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I wouldn't necessarily describe them as nefarious - that's too harsh a word. It isn't necessarily criminal what they are doing, at least not in normal or typical instances. "Nefarious" would be more like framing someone for a crime they didn't commit or police brutality.

Can they be disingenuous and try to get you to do something that isn't in your legal best interest? Yes, depending on the situation.

The fact that you don't seem to disagree with me when I say that ticky tack driving laws aren't there for public safety I think speaks volumes.
 
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It's been decades since I've been pulled over by the police and the last time was a speed trap in Florida where they had a plane timing cars through a measured 1/4 mile. When they found one with an out of state tag apparently they pulled them over and issued a ticket for a princely sum. They probably had 30 police cars lined up on an on ramp to the interstate pulling people over right and left. Revenue generation at it's finest. It was all for safety though.
 
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05_never_again said:
I wouldn't necessarily describe them as nefarious - that's too harsh a word. It isn't necessarily criminal what they are doing, at least not in normal or typical instances. "Nefarious" would be more like framing someone for a crime they didn't commit or police brutality.

Can they be disingenuous and try to get you to do something that isn't in your legal best interest? Yes, depending on the situation.

The fact that you don't seem to disagree with me when I say that ticky tack driving laws aren't there for public safety I think speaks volumes.
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I think that equipment violations (tail light out, headlight out, cracked windshield, tag light etc) are the “tick tackiest” violations you could have yes. They were all made laws for specific safety reasons and I never cited or arrested someone just for that ever. Give them the warning because they need to fix them. But moving violations are a lot worse. Speeding, reckless driving, driving without headlights, following too closely etc. deserve more than just a warning at times.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I think that equipment violations (tail light out, headlight out, cracked windshield, tag light etc) are the “tick tackiest” violations you could have yes. They were all made laws for specific safety reasons and I never cited or arrested someone just for that ever. Give them the warning because they need to fix them. But moving violations are a lot worse. Speeding, reckless driving, driving without headlights, following too closely etc. deserve more than just a warning at times.
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That's not my point. The ticky tack stuff is there as a pretext to pull people over, in the chance that during the ensuing traffic stop you're able to nail that person for a more serious offense and perhaps make an arrest.

The license plate light being out is the legal hook to stop someone and that's why it is the law, not "public safety." If you pull that person over, snoop around/ask some questions, and you don't see anything else, then yes, you let them go. But the point of that stop in all likelihood was not to inform the driver that his license plate light was out. I doubt that's the endgame the officer has in mind when he pulls that person over. That was just the hook.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I think that equipment violations (tail light out, headlight out, cracked windshield, tag light etc) are the “tick tackiest” violations you could have yes. They were all made laws for specific safety reasons and I never cited or arrested someone just for that ever. Give them the warning because they need to fix them. But moving violations are a lot worse. Speeding, reckless driving, driving without headlights, following too closely etc. deserve more than just a warning at times.
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It probably won't show up on the quote, but I had to laugh when I saw "following too closely" as a serious moving violation. Every time before I was pulled over, the police planted their car within 2 feet of the back of my car. I could have tapped the brakes and they would have rear ended me. Think they would have written themselves a ticket if they hit me?
 
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