Enough of the "we stayed with a team" crap.

#77
#77
JacketVol said:
Great. It's all good. We all want the same thing. I understand what you are saying about getting it into someone else's hands at the end of the game. However, if the guy is your point guard and you don't call time out, normally the point guard is who you get it too to get it down the court. Hence, the players give it to Golden. I think CCM knows he needs a true point guard and is using Golden only because he is being forced to do so. Hope Washburn develops and good to see a new point guard commitment. I think this proves CCM knows he needs a better point.
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Just saw where we got a 2013 pg committ named Landry. I hope Stokes was impressed with the atmosphere at tba tonight, we could use him too.
 
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#83
TooLegit2Quit said:
Want to compare rosters?
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Actually, going into the season, Cuanzo's team had alot more talent than Bruces first year. It's easy to say they had Lofton and Jujuan now, but before the season started Lofton had not yet became THE Chris Lofton and Jujuan was just some walk-on. We have multiple four star players on this years team.
 
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#84
VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
Reading comprehension low? Nothing in there is negavol on Martin. Saying it's time for him to set an example and chew butts out and bench people.
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big problem is there is no one he can bench them for. outside of maybe yemi at times who on the bench is outplaying or even playing on par with the guy in front of him?
 
#85
#85
1utfbfan said:
Just saw where we got a 2013 pg committ named Landry. I hope Stokes was impressed with the atmosphere at tba tonight, we could use him too.
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Atmosphere, you are kidding right? Other then for about 5 minutes everyone just sat there. Hope this kid saw something he liked but a lively crowd he did not see. I'm not sure he or any other player will either.
 
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rich4pres said:
Actually, going into the season, Cuanzo's team had alot more talent than Bruces first year. It's easy to say they had Lofton and Jujuan now, but before the season started Lofton had not yet became THE Chris Lofton and Jujuan was just some walk-on. We have multiple four star players on this years team.
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Stars mean nothing here. It's not even close comparing the two rosters.
 
#87
#87
Hello folks Pearl is gone,has a 2 year show cause,,its not like he just left,,he will never be back by the way.
This team looks much better than almost anyone expected.

Anyone still crying over BP,,he did it to himself,,quit crying about it and lets enjoy a team that looks like it will at least play its azz off win or lose.
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#88
#88
The moral victories are piling up along with the losses. We need to win some of these close ones if we want to be a bubble team. GO VOLS!!!
 
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#89
TooLegit2Quit said:
Stars mean nothing here. It's not even close comparing the two rosters.
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You missed my point. Using the "who had the most talent" argument in hindsight is weak. The only way to use the talent argument is what everyone considered talented before the season started. Before this season Cuonzo had multiple four star players who had so far either not played much due to youth or had not lived up to the hype. Before Bruce Pearl's first season he had one guy who wasn't highly recruited but had a good freshmen year, and then basically nothing. Nobody even considered Jujuan Smith before the season started. Most had never even heard of him. Bradshaw, before Bruce Pearl's first year, was hated by the fanbase. CJ Watson was considered ok, but didn't bring fear in the hearts of opponents. Everyone else was considered mediocre role players at best.
 
#90
#90
KingNick865 said:
Why does some of our fanbase still have a cultlike interest in Bruce Pearl. The man won a lot of games here. Great. He doesn't coach here anymore. Cuonzo Martin coaches the team now.
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I agree.!! I don't want a coach who lies or breaks NCAA rules. Now if this is NBA would not matter .
 
#91
#91
rich4pres said:
You missed my point. Using the "who had the most talent" argument in hindsight is weak. The only way to use the talent argument is what everyone considered talented before the season started. Before this season Cuonzo had multiple four star players who had so far either not played much due to youth or had not lived up to the hype. Before Bruce Pearl's first season he had one guy who wasn't highly recruited but had a good freshmen year, and then basically nothing. Nobody even considered Jujuan Smith before the season started. Most had never even heard of him. Bradshaw, before Bruce Pearl's first year, was hated by the fanbase. CJ Watson was considered ok, but didn't bring fear in the hearts of opponents. Everyone else was considered mediocre role players at best.
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Fair enough.

I'd still say Watson, Lofton, even Patterson > Tatum?

Cuonzo was left with nothing. Golden, Maymon, and Mcrae have potential. As a whole I don't feel that Martin has all that much to work with.
 
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TooLegit2Quit said:
Fair enough.

I'd still say Watson, Lofton, even Patterson > Tatum?

Cuonzo was left with nothing. Golden, Maymon, and Mcrae have potential. As a whole I don't feel that Martin has all that much to work with.
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what this team is full of blue chippers
 
#93
#93
rich4pres said:
You missed my point. Using the "who had the most talent" argument in hindsight is weak. The only way to use the talent argument is what everyone considered talented before the season started. Before this season Cuonzo had multiple four star players who had so far either not played much due to youth or had not lived up to the hype. Before Bruce Pearl's first season he had one guy who wasn't highly recruited but had a good freshmen year, and then basically nothing. Nobody even considered Jujuan Smith before the season started. Most had never even heard of him. Bradshaw, before Bruce Pearl's first year, was hated by the fanbase. CJ Watson was considered ok, but didn't bring fear in the hearts of opponents. Everyone else was considered mediocre role players at best.
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Not like Lofton put 12 PPG as a freshman or anything.
 
#95
#95
SGMVols said:
Lofton wasn't recruited to UT by Pearl, genius.
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????? UTCVol said that this team would be 6-1 with Lofton, and I said I agreed, but that I doubted Cuonzo would recruit a Lofton*. What the heck does any of that have to do with who Pearl recruited?

* i.e. a shooter who wasn't considered particularly "athletic", wasn't a great defender, didn't jump especially well...
 
#96
#96
VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
It's time for some butts to be benched and some absolute butt chewing to go on. Even though this is a young team, this is just hard to watch. Something needs to happen
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Listen to CM after the games. He says that they have to lose to get better. Completely different attitude than Pearl. Pearl never talked about getting lessons from the competition he talked about giving lessons to the competion.
 
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#97
If you want to compare Cuonzo to a bad coach, compare him to Dooley. I wasn't a Bruce fan but I have the sense to admit he was a good coach.
Dooley after a loss comes out an berates his players and throws them under the bus and the kids played like it.
After a loss, the Cuonz comes out, praises Cam for his double double, praises Hall for a good effort in both halves, and when asked about Golden's poor defense said he'd take 7-21 any day.
Only negative thing he said was 18 points off of offensive rebounds will lose the game every time.
These kids will give him everything they've got and they could be a much improved team by mid season.
 
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calban said:
If you want to compare Cuonzo to a bad coach, compare him to Dooley. I wasn't a Bruce fan but I have the sense to admit he was a good coach.
Dooley after a loss comes out an berates his players and throws them under the bus and the kids played like it.
After a loss, the Cuonz comes out, praises Cam for his double double, praises Hall for a good effort in both halves, and when asked about Golden's poor defense said he'd take 7-21 any day.
Only negative thing he said was 18 points off of offensive rebounds will lose the game every time.
These kids will give him everything they've got and they could be a much improved team by mid season.
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I like all this. I thought the 7 of 21 was excellent (and for folks claiming Gibbs "owned" him late; he was 3 for 10 in the first half and 4 for 11 in the second). If I had any criticism it'd be a few of the substitutions (i.e. McBee in at the end, when we really needed McRae to chase); but even on that, he stuck in Yemi, Yemi got beat on the perimeter and Cuonzo went "uh-oh" and pulled him right back out. Good stuff.
 
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willieboy said:
His 14th season as a head coach, his first year at Tennessee, Pearl reached an entirely new level of success. Entering the 2005-06 campaign, the Vols were picked to finish fifth out of six teams in the Southeastern Conference's Eastern Division. With a team that had lost two of its top players from the previous season and just one new player added to the rotation, it was no surprise expectations were low in Knoxville.

At the end of the season, Tennessee had won 22 games and won the SEC Eastern Division title with a 12-4 league record. UT swept its regular season series against four of the other five SEC Eastern Division schools (South Carolina, Georgia, Florida and Vanderbilt) and were ranked as high as No. 8 by the Associated Press.
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Willie willie
Pearl inherited at least 3 starters from Buzz's era and 60% of the scoring offense.
Martin inherited 1 starter and 30% of the scoring offense from Bruce.
See a problem here?
 
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