ESPN article on OK QB Trevor Knight

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After reading up in the big 12 I think I understand a little better now why our visiting sooner friends feel the need to talk ther team up so much.

The big 12 is honestly in a state of flux and once you scratch the surface it's easy to see why. Baylor, the 2013 champs played 6 games last year that most any d1 school in the country could win, got embarrassed by OKST, and then lost to central florida in their bowl game.

Like Baylor, Oklahoma played a cake walk out of conference schedule and never could seem to get going, and stay going, in the right direction. Basically their whole season was the bama win. If they had lost that game they would be heading into this season ranked 17-20.

I'm about to board a flight but in a nutshell, they are trying to convince themselves just as much as they are us. I still think we lose this game. But that's to be expected honestly
Vs any top 20 team this year.

Lately, the B12 has been in a state of flux. Historically dominated by OU and Texas, OU has at least been able to win with consistency (winning in 2008, 10, 12) but now we have had osu, baylor and ksu win in between those, so I can appreciate the perception that the B12 is in a state of flux. OU has to win it this year to keep that streak of winning every other year going. It's not because baylor played an easy schedule. But if you want to bring that into the fold, Baylor had the #14 SOS last season, and OU being 11-2 had the #4 SOS. You also said they beat 6 teams that almost any D1 school could beat. I wont even try to argue, even though I disagree. I will say this: every other D1 school in the country could NOT do this: baylor outscored their worst 6 opponents 442-86. Avg score of 73-14. It's not like they were barely escaping with wins here. Baylor's OOC was a wake walk, but they scored over 70 points a piece. OU's was no cake walk either, hello, they went and beat Notre Dame in South Bend! The first home loss since 2011.

Their whole season wasnt the bama win, it was the most important though.

Really? He threw for a 43% and 50% completion rating in 2 of his last 4 conference games and was pedestrian at best with zero passing TDs. Oh wait, he really whipped up on Kanas with 1 TD and 1 INT. You're sort of proving my point made above.

Actually he threw 43% and 50% in the FIRST 2 conference games, not the last 2. He also didnt play against kansas. So, I am not sure how he made your point if your post is full of inaccurate information. He played bad in the first two games through the air (thought he did run for 147). His next start wasnt until November against kstate with a 70% completion percentage, and 2 total touchdowns and another 82 yards on the ground. He is also undefeated as a starter. He has to be more consistent, but from what all the players and coaches say, his alabama performance is par for what they claim he does in practice.
 
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Clearly, the majority of the posters on this board are so lacking in any real understanding of the OU program that their only play is to resort to personal attacks on our head coach.......and this from a fan base that watched Phil throw Johnny Majors under the bus.

You folks have been irrelevant far too long and it has affected your psyche.

What is really amazing is that the comments Bob has made are not now nor have they ever been about the Tennessee program. But of course, if you are in the SEC, there's this conference thing.

I came on this board thinking I could engage in some real honest dialogue about the up coming game. I did the same on Tide Fans years ago and to this day I still enjoy a strong relationship with the posters over there. I guess it pretty much substantiates what Bob has been saying.....there's Alabama & then there's the rest of the SEC.

My suggestion to you all is to pull out all your old film of Dewey "Swamprat" Warren & Richmond Flowers so you can reminisce about the good old days.....Oh, I forgot, we beat those guys too.

BOOMER SOONER!

To post that as "fact" would bring me to question all of your other "facts".
 
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Really? He threw for a 43% and 50% completion rating in 2 of his last 4 conference games and was pedestrian at best with zero passing TDs. Oh wait, he really whipped up on Kanas with 1 TD and 1 INT. You're sort of proving my point made above.

I don't expect folks from a college message board to have a clue when it comes to stats but this seems like a disingenuous argument at best.

TK's Pass Eff Rating and Rushing stats by game where he threw more than 10 passes were as follows in the order the games were played:

Off-Season - Get's approximately 40% of starting snaps as he competes for the starting role. Becomes starter 1-2 weeks prior to 1st game.

ULM - 93.3/103
WV - 96.5/42

Injured and Blake Bell becomes the starter for next 8 games.

ISU - 93.8/123
KSU - 148.3/82

Pre-Game Bowl practices he gets all first team snap and his play improves dramatically.

Alabama - 164.6/7 - Shreds the best defense in the SEC 32/44/348.

You make the call.
 
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After reading up in the big 12 I think I understand a little better now why our visiting sooner friends feel the need to talk ther team up so much.

The big 12 is honestly in a state of flux and once you scratch the surface it's easy to see why. Baylor, the 2013 champs played 6 games last year that most any d1 school in the country could win, got embarrassed by OKST, and then lost to central florida in their bowl game.

Like Baylor, Oklahoma played a cake walk out of conference schedule and never could seem to get going, and stay going, in the right direction. Basically their whole season was the bama win. If they had lost that game they would be heading into this season ranked 17-20.

I'm about to board a flight but in a nutshell, they are trying to convince themselves just as much as they are us. I still think we lose this game. But that's to be expected honestly
Vs any top 20 team this year.

Is that why when the #2 and #3 Big XII teams played the #2 and #3 teams in the SEC, the Big XII teams showed up better overall? OU soundly beat Alabama and OSU had Mizzou in a sure tie with 1 minute left in the game when they Aggied it up and fumbled.

You keep lobbing softballs and I will keep parking them!
 
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It would seem that our are referring to KSU although your sentence structure is very confusing. Knight was 14/20/70%/171 yds/8.2 ypa with 82 rushing in that game. Is that a bad game for your QB's? Brennan Clay ran for 2 bills in that game, so OU stayed with it.
 
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Are all Sooner fans typically this arrogant on opponents' message boards?

Why are you guys so hostile and defensive?

Our program has been historically bad for 7 of the past 9 seasons. We are fresh off firing the worst coach in school history and are hopeful our current coach is going to restore our program in the SEC and nationally.

Imagine if you were fresh off Gary Gibbs and Howard Schnellenberger and some non-conference fans showed up on your message board trying to "educate" you on how great their program is - a bit ridiculous and totally unnecessary IMO.
 
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Are all Sooner fans typically this arrogant on opponents' message boards?

Why are you guys so hostile and defensive?

Our program has been historically bad for 7 of the past 9 seasons. We are fresh off firing the worst coach in school history and are hopeful our current coach is going to restore our program in the SEC and nationally.

Imagine if you were fresh off Gary Gibbs and Howard Schnellenberger and some non-conference fans showed up on your message board trying to "educate" you on how great their program is - a bit ridiculous and totally unnecessary IMO.
And it ruined your day, to boot
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Are all Sooner fans typically this arrogant on opponents' message boards?
Yes

Why are you guys so hostile and defensive?
Because they know they are stuck in a dumpster fire of a conference with no way out anytime soon. Their state legislature would not allow them to change conferences without their little brother OSU. The PAC-12 said "thanks but no thanks".

The media is consistently ranking their conference as the lowest of the big 5 and they are stuck there for at least another 10yrs. TX and the LHN have basically made a BDF network a non-starter so their conference as a whole will fall far behind other conferences in media revenue over that time. Meanwhile, A&M and other SEC teams have also taken control of their primary recruiting grounds.

Their near term future is bleak at best. Their lack of a conference championship game means only an undefeated BDF champion has any real shot at a playoff selection while also guaranteeing one team at most will be selected.

They are a proud program with a rich history of winning, much like us. But unlike we were in 2008, they can see their future and they don't like it.
 
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Yes


Because they know they are stuck in a dumpster fire of a conference with no way out anytime soon. Their state legislature would not allow them to change conferences without their little brother OSU. The PAC-12 said "thanks but no thanks".

The media is consistently ranking their conference as the lowest of the big 5 and they are stuck there for at least another 10yrs. TX and the LHN have basically made a BDF network a non-starter so their conference as a whole will fall far behind other conferences in media revenue over that time. Meanwhile, A&M and other SEC teams have also taken control of their primary recruiting grounds.

Their near term future is bleak at best. Their lack of a conference championship game means only an undefeated BDF champion has any real shot at a playoff selection while also guaranteeing one team at most will be selected.

They are a proud program with a rich history of winning, much like us. But unlike we were in 2008, they can see their future and they don't like it.
You are funny

Oklahoma Sooners - In Photos: College Football's Most Valuable Teams 2013 - Forbes
 
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Yes


Because they know they are stuck in a dumpster fire of a conference with no way out anytime soon. Their state legislature would not allow them to change conferences without their little brother OSU. The PAC-12 said "thanks but no thanks".

The media is consistently ranking their conference as the lowest of the big 5 and they are stuck there for at least another 10yrs. TX and the LHN have basically made a BDF network a non-starter so their conference as a whole will fall far behind other conferences in media revenue over that time. Meanwhile, A&M and other SEC teams have also taken control of their primary recruiting grounds.

Their near term future is bleak at best. Their lack of a conference championship game means only an undefeated BDF champion has any real shot at a playoff selection while also guaranteeing one team at most will be selected.

They are a proud program with a rich history of winning, much like us. But unlike we were in 2008, they can see their future and they don't like it.

Awesome this post was so full of things that made me giggle. Like, you think OU fans are arrogant, and that the arrogance is related to an inferiority complex with their conference. That statement of yours belies your misplaced conference arrogance and is so far off base I find it difficult to know where to begin. Most OU fans dont like some of the things about the big 12, such as no conf. championship game. I prefer one, but I also understand why its not possible with 10 teams, and why the round robin format gives the big 12 conference champion a leg up in terms of qualifying for the playoff. Not sure where you got this made up idea that big 12 is the weakest of the power 5, but that is also not accurate, as the big 12 has historically been the top 1 or 2 and maybe 3 on any list of anyone in the actual know. Now with some teams in the pac 12 and big 10 playing exceptionally well the past few years, and with texas being down, it gives the perception that the big 12 cant hang. But didnt the big 12 #2 team beat the premier sec program? didnt another ex big 12 team beat them too (a&M)? didnt a former big 12 team play in the sec championship? It's far from a scrub conference and OU fans simply dont care about the conference smack talk. I wouldnt be yapping much either since the sec was this close to the top 3 being 0-3 in bowl season.

I thought about this long and hard, for the longest time when the 4 teams left the big 12 it was thought that it would dissapate and the teams would go their merry way. for some reason the ADs wanted to save it, texas didnt want to go and neither the sec nor the pac said they'd accept osu along with OU (mistake IMO as osu can compete). So here we are. Now, you may say they are 'stuck' but stuck is relative. From a fan's stanpoint, it kinda sucks, we want to be the big bad conference right? But consider a few things. from a $$$ standpoint, because there are 10 as opposed to 12 (or 14) schools, the 10 way cut is larger per school than a 12 or 14 way share is. Of course these numbers matter mostly to the universities themselves, why should fans care , do we get to see any of this cash?. so, again, if we are stuck here,even if it were the case, why would an OU fan care if OU makes a million bucks a year less than an sec school? But to quote real actual numbers, to compare to sec. Avg sec haul last year was right at 20 million per school. OU pulled in 23 million. Income estimated go jump to 26million+ next season, per school. They arent going broke down there.

On to something more significant- the scheduling. being a 10 team league, we have a 9 team round robin meaning every team plays every team. some call that having a 'true' champion. whereas in a 14 team league, every team most certainly does not play every other team, so while there is a champ. game there is not a if you will, 'true champion'. therefore the 'true champion' will not have to risk a loss of place in the ranking due to playing in a conf championship game. I kind of like the idea of playing every team in conference, it leaves no questions unanswered. Plus, 14 team leagues right now have a 8 game league schedule vs a 9 game league schedule, and with the strength of schedules being so important, that one game against a patsy cake OOC team instead of a SEC team has real potential to be a limiting factor when the committee is splitting hairs to determine who makes the cut.

As far as recruiting, OU has never had, and never will have trouble recruiting with Stoops.IF im correct, Stoops has never had a class rated under #15 nationally.

Near term future is looking extremely bright, hence the reason why they signed a long term and very lucrative contract. Do we need 2 teams in the playoff? nope, it can happen though, as the conference has had many times 2 teams finish in the top 5.. it'll be possible to have 2 in the same conf. make it , but that largely depends on the champion from each league to not be undefeated or at least have the same record. OU's future is also extremely bright, having raked in a great recruiting class, returning almost every starter on a young team who went 11-2. I dont frankly see why you think OU has a bleak future, but hey, it's the internet, it's not the craziest thing I've read today!
 
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LOL yeah, don't forget to acknowledge that TCU or WVU haven't yet gotten a full share of BDF media revenue.

Those numbers are only a one year snapshot, fact is BDF media revenues have not been shared equally among all members yet. Plus your lack of a conference network will only create a divide between the haves (SEC,B1G,PAC,ACC) and the have nots (BDF...everyone else). Your conference is only a shell of its former self - you and your fan base know this. With the GOR agreement, you and TX are stuck until 2025. During that time your revenues will not be able to keep pace with the "haves" and your program will suffer.
 
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Chuck Carlton ‏@ChuckCarltonDMN 10m
Oklahoma LB Frank Shannon suspended for one year after internal investigation, via statement from school president David Boren.



So you're telling me there's a chance....
 
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Wait a second. Are we going to try to beat Oklahoma at football or finances? Football would be more exciting to me, but I can go with the flow. Our debit scheme will wear down Oklahoma's account balance, then we'll overdraft the hell out of it to send them far into the red where they belong! Go 1st Tennessee Bank! :)
 
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Chuck Carlton ‏@ChuckCarltonDMN 10m
Oklahoma LB Frank Shannon suspended for one year after internal investigation, via statement from school president David Boren.



So you're telling me there's a chance....


Big blow for the LB depth. He lead the team in tackles.
 
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LOL, "One True Champion"

Fine Print: As long as there isn't a tie!

See 2012 results. :eek:hmy:
 

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LOL yeah, don't forget to acknowledge that TCU or WVU haven't yet gotten a full share of BDF media revenue.

Those numbers are only a one year snapshot, fact is BDF media revenues have not been shared equally among all members yet. Plus your lack of a conference network will only create a divide between the haves (SEC,B1G,PAC,ACC) and the have nots (BDF...everyone else). Your conference is only a shell of its former self - you and your fan base know this. With the GOR agreement, you and TX are stuck until 2025. During that time your revenues will not be able to keep pace with the "haves" and your program will suffer.
OU is #7 and Tennessee is #20. OU fans root for their team and OU's players play for OU. We do not try to ride the coat tail of conference superiority. BTW, if OU wanted into the SEC, they would be welcomed with open arms. The OU football program has outstanding and consistent leadership administratively. The same HC, President and AD since 99'. They have chosen a path of pragmatism.
 
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OU is #7 and Tennessee is #20. OU fans root for their team and OU's players play for OU. We do not try to ride the coat tail of conference superiority. BTW, if OU wanted into the SEC, they would be welcomed with open arms. The OU football program has outstanding and consistent leadership administratively. The same HC, President and AD since 99'. They have chosen a path of pragmatism.

Again, It's a one year snapshot, come back in 5 yrs and we'll talk again.

No coat tails here, we helped build this conference.

As far as OU to the SEC, not gonna happen. You have two problems. 1) Your joined at the hip with OSU. 2) OK doesn't have enough TV sets. Basically you go no where without TX...the SEC already owns the TX TV market so you add no value to our conference.

Your administration has tried to get out of the BDF and failed. They haven't chosen any path that TX didn't choose for them.
 
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Hahaha what a bunch of sensitive little candy nuts these sooner fans are. I guess that explains why it took a bunch of Tennesseans to save Texas from being part of Mexico. These guys were standing around typing out 4 paragraph message board posts.

BONER SUCKER!
 
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Hahaha what a bunch of sensitive little candy nuts these sooner fans are. I guess that explains why it took a bunch of Tennesseans to save Texas from being part of Mexico. These guys were standing around typing out 4 paragraph message board posts.

BONER SUCKER!

Those big sentences and words hard for you to follow?
 

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