ESPN reports that a source close to Pearl says he has no fear of being fired

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The university should place integrity above all else. How can they discipline students for academic cheating or deal with any employee with integrity issues if they retain Pearl. The message can't be that we'll overlook every thing as long as you field a winning athletic program. The folks who constantly want Pearl to stay regardless of his behavior either have no integrity themselves or simply fool themselves into the "we have no program without Pearl" ridiculous theory.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
The university should place integrity above all else. How can they discipline students for academic cheating or deal with any employee with integrity issues if they retain Pearl. The message can't be that we'll overlook every thing as long as you field a winning athletic program. The folks who constantly want Pearl to stay regardless of his behavior either have no integrity themselves or simply fool themselves into the "we have no program without Pearl" ridiculous theory.
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Agree completely! It is frustrating trying to reason with them. Pearl has done good things here, but if he stays, the bad will outweigh the good in the long run. If Fulmer's 16 years didn't buy the right to sink the ship, then Pearl's 6 years shouldnt either. I was for Fulmer going to under the same reasoning, noone is bigger than UT. Fulmer did much more for UT than Pearl, but UT was alwfully good to him as well. UT has been more than generous with Pearl, they have showered him with grace considering everything that has occurred.
 
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235lbVol said:
Waste a season??? Wheather he's suspended or not, it's not going to change next season. If he's fired. Then it would change. Players leaving. Other top players take UT off there list without Pearl. Pearl is a great coach. He's staying so these threads are a mute point. I really think most fools on here wanting him to go are trolls!
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This is so far from the true that it's like the blind leading the blind.
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and if anyone thinks that this program would sink with Mike Anderson, Anthony Grant, or Gregg Marshall, then they need to watch more college basketball. I would argue that IF UT could get Grant, it would be an upgrade. Yes, an upgrade. Same for Anderson. Marshall may not be an upgrade(may be) but definitely would be a great choice. The guys wins. He also wins without getting in trouble, for those of us that hate UT enough to want a winner AND a guy who plays by the rules
 
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Come on now OIK, you know we really would have no program without Pearl. No other coach could possibly do what he has done, at least I hope no future coach will do what he has done in the damage to the program and image of the university.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Agree completely! It is frustrating trying to reason with them. Pearl has done good things here, but if he stays, the bad will outweigh the good in the long run. If Fulmer's 16 years didn't buy the right to sink the ship, then Pearl's 6 years shouldnt either. I was for Fulmer going to under the same reasoning, noone is bigger than UT. Fulmer did much more for UT than Pearl, but UT was alwfully good to him as well. UT has been more than generous with Pearl, they have showered him with grace considering everything that has occurred.
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Last i checked... Firing Fulmer really got us far in the Football program. I must have missed that SEC Championship Kiffin got us... and the National Championship that Dooley just won us.

Firing a guy doesn't always put a program in a better position


Look at Indiana basketball.. when have they been relevant? Just because we can fire Bruce Pearl doesn't mean we should
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Come on now OIK, you know we really would have no program without Pearl. No other coach could possibly do what he has done, at least I hope no future coach will do what he has done in the damage to the program and image of the university.
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The image of Tn basketball wouldn't be relevant without the success Pearl brought it. If this conversation was occuring about Buzz ... wouldn't matter. There would be no program image to damage. Pearl is a victim of his own success.
 
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Yea, the same old there was no program before Pearl argument. Apparently there are some out there foolish enough to buy this.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Come on now OIK, you know we really would have no program without Pearl. No other coach could possibly do what he has done, at least I hope no future coach will do what he has done in the damage to the program and image of the university.
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The fact is, UT's basketball program has a much higher image after last year's elite 8. So to say he is ruining the image of the basketball program that he helped take to new heights is a cop out. The elite eight is one of the greatest accomplishments of all time for the university and imo, holds alot of weight in this story.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Yea, the same old there was no program before Pearl argument. Apparently there are some out there foolish enough to buy this.
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You're rationale is greatly flawed

"In 2007-08, he led the school to its first-ever No. 1 overall ranking. In his five full seasons at the school, Pearl has led Tennessee to five NCAA tournament appearances, which is as many as the previous 22 years of UT coaches combined. He’s also taken the Vols to three Sweet 16 berths, one more than Tennessee had achieved in its history before Pearl arrived. Last season’s Elite Eight appearance? A first for the school. "


IF this is what Bruce Pearl is selling... then yes i'm buying it.

Disagreeing on whether Bruce should stay or go is one thing... but Noone with any common sense can deny what he has done for the program.
 
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Volstylexx said:
You're rationale is greatly flawed

"In 2007-08, he led the school to its first-ever No. 1 overall ranking. In his five full seasons at the school, Pearl has led Tennessee to five NCAA tournament appearances, which is as many as the previous 22 years of UT coaches combined. He’s also taken the Vols to three Sweet 16 berths, one more than Tennessee had achieved in its history before Pearl arrived. Last season’s Elite Eight appearance? A first for the school. "


IF this is what Bruce Pearl is selling... then yes i'm buying it.

Disagreeing on whether Bruce should stay or go is one thing... but Noone with any common sense can deny what he has done for the program.
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I make no effort to deny the good things Pearl has done for the basketball program. I supported Pearl until the NCAA mess. The number of NCAA appearances is somewhat misleading as the field has expanded greatly from when others were coaching UT and it is much easier to make the tourney now. However, I thought he was a perfect fit for our program. It is extremely unfortunate that he is now creating bad things for the program that very likely override the good he did. It's unfortunate that so many refuse to accept this and continue to support him as if things will just go on as if there were no NCAA sanctions forthcoming.
 
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Volstylexx said:
You're rationale is greatly flawed

"In 2007-08, he led the school to its first-ever No. 1 overall ranking. In his five full seasons at the school, Pearl has led Tennessee to five NCAA tournament appearances, which is as many as the previous 22 years of UT coaches combined. He’s also taken the Vols to three Sweet 16 berths, one more than Tennessee had achieved in its history before Pearl arrived. Last season’s Elite Eight appearance? A first for the school. "


IF this is what Bruce Pearl is selling... then yes i'm buying it.

Disagreeing on whether Bruce should stay or go is one thing... but Noone with any common sense can deny what he has done for the program.
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Again, place it in perspective. Mears had a better conference winning percentage. Pearl and Jerry Green's winning percentage are basically the same. He's done well, but it's not like it's earth-shattering.
 
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If the tournament field was the same as today when he coached, Mears would have made the tournament every year he coached. Unfortunately, only the conference champion made the field then and it was generally Kentucky who went.
 
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Volstylexx said:
Last i checked... Firing Fulmer really got us far in the Football program. I must have missed that SEC Championship Kiffin got us... and the National Championship that Dooley just won us.

Firing a guy doesn't always put a program in a better position


Look at Indiana basketball.. when have they been relevant? Just because we can fire Bruce Pearl doesn't mean we should
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Few things: I agree with you that just because we CAN, doesn't mean we SHOULD. I agree. My opinion is that UT should, based on the damage done to the image. I don't for a minute disagree that there wouldn't be as good of a bball image without Pearl, but UT had quite an image for the last few decades. I also agree that firing a guy doesnt always improve a situation. I would in no way want a change if not for this mess.

Fulmer has been gone 2 seasons, and it is apples and oranges because Fulmer left program depleted and Hammy made horrible hire. You can't possibly compare the 2. I can tell you that both seasons without Fulmer produced more wins than 2 of Fulmer's last 4. If Pearl was dismissed, the next guy would likely inherit much better situation. Also, before you knock on Buzz, think about where Pearl would have been early on without Lofton, Watson,JuJuan, and Bradshaw. By all appearances, Buzz at least scouted talent better than Pearl. Are do you think Skylar and Swiper are players?

Funny you mention Indiana, because they reason for their collapse is they hired a guy who couldn't play by the rules, Kelvin Sampson. Are were you referring to relevance since firing Knight? Because Mike Davis took them to a National title game, so...
 
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My views have nothing to do with on court performance, I don't for a minute argue what Pearl has done here
 
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mtt2d said:
The fact is, UT's basketball program has a much higher image after last year's elite 8. So to say he is ruining the image of the basketball program that he helped take to new heights is a cop out. The elite eight is one of the greatest accomplishments of all time for the university and imo, holds alot of weight in this story.
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Yes, the last 6 months have been great for the image of UT basketball, I have heard much about the Elite 8, especially yesterday
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Yes, the last 6 months have been great for the image of UT basketball, I have heard much about the Elite 8, especially yesterday
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You made an obvious presumption there. :rock:

Without last year's success, Pearl should have been gone in September imo. The only reason he is still here is because of last years run and the hopes that he can do it again. :matrix:

MH is betting his chips that last year's successes are not his last. :clapping:

As long as our basketball coach (whoever that may be) wins, I don't mind a few small sanctions every once in a while - just look at UK's history. :vava:
 
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mtt2d said:
You made an obvious presumption there. :rock:

Without last year's success, Pearl should have been gone in September imo. The only reason he is still here is because of last years run and the hopes that he can do it again. :matrix:

MH is betting his chips that last year's successes are not his last. :clapping:

As long as our basketball coach (whoever that may be) wins, I don't mind a few small sanctions every once in a while - just look at UK's history. :vava:
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Here's the thing though, my view is all about his cover up, his actions off the court. I felt same way when we were 7-o and just beat Nova and Pitt. The fact that his actions warrant dismissal, and would have been granted it at most schools, stands alone in my mind. Last year's run doesn't change what he has done. The way I see it, based on history of similiar cases, is UT has 2 choices:
1. Keep pearl, even though it likely means a year at least without him> The negative side of this is three fold: It will hurt 2 recruiting classes because his future will be up in the air. It will be a black eye. Third, it could bring stiffer sanctions(not minor) against UT.
2. Dismiss Pearl and possible get more lenient penalties and give the impression to NCAA that UT is serious about compliance. With recent events and hiring Kiffin and Orgeron, UT has basically challenged the NCAA.

I am not sure what you mean by UK's history, do you mean the rep they have for being dirty? If so, then that right there is what I dont want UT to have. UK has had some major NCAA issues in the past, and living in Lexington, I have heard that the big rub on Tubby is that he wouldn't bend rules. I don't want to be UK, I like UT. I loved UT before Pearl, love it with Pearl, and will love it after Pearl.
I guess our disagreement is I don't believe in "win at all costs". Growing up in Knox and being a long time fan of all UT sports, I would rather be proud of my coach and program. This is just how I feel, just don't like others calling myself and others who dont subscribe to "win at all costs" philosophy, nega-vols, trolls, idiots, etc. There is perfect precedent to justify the view of dismissing our coach.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Here's the thing though, my view is all about his cover up, his actions off the court. I felt same way when we were 7-o and just beat Nova and Pitt. The fact that his actions warrant dismissal, and would have been granted it at most schools, stands alone in my mind. Last year's run doesn't change what he has done. The way I see it, based on history of similiar cases, is UT has 2 choices:
1. Keep pearl, even though it likely means a year at least without him> The negative side of this is three fold: It will hurt 2 recruiting classes because his future will be up in the air. It will be a black eye. Third, it could bring stiffer sanctions(not minor) against UT.
2. Dismiss Pearl and possible get more lenient penalties and give the impression to NCAA that UT is serious about compliance. With recent events and hiring Kiffin and Orgeron, UT has basically challenged the NCAA.

I am not sure what you mean by UK's history, do you mean the rep they have for being dirty? If so, then that right there is what I dont want UT to have. UK has had some major NCAA issues in the past, and living in Lexington, I have heard that the big rub on Tubby is that he wouldn't bend rules. I don't want to be UK, I like UT. I loved UT before Pearl, love it with Pearl, and will love it after Pearl.
I guess our disagreement is I don't believe in "win at all costs". Growing up in Knox and being a long time fan of all UT sports, I would rather be proud of my coach and program. This is just how I feel, just don't like others calling myself and others who dont subscribe to "win at all costs" philosophy, nega-vols, trolls, idiots, etc. There is perfect precedent to justify the view of dismissing our coach.
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"Showing" the NCAA you are serious about compliance is like telling the IRS "yeah, i'll pay this and then you will like me from now on!" It doesn't work that way. You fight the NCAA when you can and comply when you need to. 90% of programs "cheat" because it's so hard to keep up with all the rules. Pearl is good unless there is a show-cause. Sorry you don't like it, but that's the way it is.
 
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zjcvols said:
Because you put the coach ahead of the program, and while Bruce has done a good job here, he's isn't John Wooden, or Adolph Rupp, or Dean Smith, or Coach K. He's a good coach that can be replaced. I don't want to waste a season because our idiot coach lied to NCAA investigators and tried to lie about it. Plus it would look terrible on the program.
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All those coaches committed worse infractions than Pearl. I hope he is our coach for 20 years.
 
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Every one supported Kiffin when he was trash talking Florida and made those infractions, and a lot of people are behind Pearl. Him right or wrong its good to know we back our coaches even in diversity. It shows what our fans are truly made of. :p..


I know the kiffin example wasn't the best, just might as well throw in a different point of view since everyone on both sides keeps saying the same thing just in different ways lol.
 
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99bubble said:
"Showing" the NCAA you are serious about compliance is like telling the IRS "yeah, i'll pay this and then you will like me from now on!" It doesn't work that way. You fight the NCAA when you can and comply when you need to. 90% of programs "cheat" because it's so hard to keep up with all the rules. Pearl is good unless there is a show-cause. Sorry you don't like it, but that's the way it is.
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Haha. Only problem is UConn just got a slap on wrist because they "showed" NCAA by firing coaches. You don't think UConn gets hit harder if they held onto all coaches involved? Not a matter of what you and I like. You saying "that's the way it is" settles nothing. I doubt UT will check your posts before deciding. Fact of the matter is what you just wrote is directly wrong according to UConn case.
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99bubble said:
"Showing" the NCAA you are serious about compliance is like telling the IRS "yeah, i'll pay this and then you will like me from now on!" It doesn't work that way. You fight the NCAA when you can and comply when you need to. 90% of programs "cheat" because it's so hard to keep up with all the rules. Pearl is good unless there is a show-cause. Sorry you don't like it, but that's the way it is.
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Oh yeah, and I have said that a "show cause" would be the end for him. I don't think anything less would have him fired. Problem is a show cause is almost certain. Also, it would be in summer which would be even worse for the program. Also, not sure what you mean about me "liking it". I am not anti-Pearl, I like him as our coach. I have made that clear. That doesn't mean I don't think he should be fired. Very few people actually argue that he does deserve that.
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