ESPN thinks we go 4-8 next year

Who cares about Dooley, it's Jones' team at this point, good or bad.

Apparently some don't think so. It is only his 2 or 3 or 4 years after the signing of his first "real" class.... and maybe not even then.

At least that's what they suggest now. Some of these guys if they see a repeat of '13 this fall will change their user names and become haters. Seen it all before.
 
Building a new Oline

New Dline

Unsure still at QB

Unsure at RB

This doesn't spell success in the SEC

I am personally not unsure about the QB position or RB position. I think both will be "good" or better. I think the OL as a unit might even be better if they can find a LT.

IMHO, the DL's success hinges on Saulsberry's return. If he makes it back playing at the level he was when injured then the DL will be good enough for the back 7 to make the D respectable.
 
Comparing what Dooley inherited vs what Jones inherited is like comparing horse sh&t to cow sh&t. One was not significantly different than the other and neither were very good.

No doubt about it. Hopefully those arguing with me over that distraction can admit it too.

Now, if that IS true then we have a basis for expectations. Dooley failed. What were his results?

If Jones posts similar results... then how can that not also be called failure? Even if they find some hairsplitting argument that the results are a little better, is that the coach UT needs?
 
No doubt about it. Hopefully those arguing with me over that distraction can admit it too.

Now, if that IS true then we have a basis for expectations. Dooley failed. What were his results?

If Jones posts similar results... then how can that not also be called failure? Even if they find some hairsplitting argument that the results are a little better, is that the coach UT needs?

This fanbase has relegated itself to setting its sights low. For many if Jones is slightly better than Dooley then they're happy.

Another example is Vandy. This place is obsessed with Vandy and beating them will "show them"....!
 
We are a 5 or 6 win team imo. Depending on our whether our OL gels, DL play, and QB play can show up or not we could possibly pull out 7 or 8 wins.

All I know is I'm excited to see what this team has and can't wait for the season to start! GBFO!!!
 
When you don't expect to win, you don't plan to win. When you don't plan to win, you won't win.
 
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This fanbase has relegated itself to setting its sights low. For many if Jones is slightly better than Dooley then they're happy.

Another example is Vandy. This place is obsessed with Vandy and beating them will "show them"....!

Yep...and as we struggle to get to a bowl game this season, many will be looking for reasons to excuse CBJ if we don't make it to a bowl... while bashing Fulmer. In my wildest, I never dreamed that any Vol fan would have to worry and be concerned with Vandy. It's out of hand, winning is medicine at this point.
 
Yep...and as we struggle to get to a bowl game this season, many will be looking for reasons to excuse CBJ if we don't make it to a bowl... while bashing Fulmer. In my wildest, I never dreamed that any Vol fan would have to worry and be concerned with Vandy. It's out of hand, winning is medicine at this point.

I pretty much agree with you. UT, IMO, could have the same record as last season and still be a better team. I'm interested in seeing the team competitive against the tougher competition on our schedule.

To me, there's more than looking at the record. It's how competitive the team is.
 
SJT Neither inherited a team that was loaded with talent. Which is changing thanks to Butch's 32 this year. I expect to see talented players playing like they did against Georgia and USC all year. You also seemed to have left off my comment about if we have 5 wins this year we should all be wondering if Butch is up to the job. Didn't suit?
Vandy and Missouri games really bother you don't they? Missouri was Dobbs first start with an inexperienced team and a coaching staff that was gun shy. And Missouri played in the SECCG last year. Vandy was winnable, but our NFL caliber OL couldn't get 1 yard against a much less talented team (your words). How are they going in the Draft combine right now?
If Jones (and a big IF as we haven't played a down yet) posts the same results as Dooley, he should expect to get the same result from the AD- FIRED. If he loses to Kentucky this year with this amount of talent, like Dooley did in year 2, he should expect to be on the hot seat too. That is the same standard right? We should be winning 7-8 games a year no matter who the coach is.
If he is 5-7 after this year he should be on the hot seat. If he is a better coach he will find a way to win another 1-2 games on this schedule. I, however, doubt Jones will post a 4-8, 5-7 season. His past record shows his teams improves year 2. I am more inclined to believe that it will be 7-5.
 
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I pretty much agree with you. UT, IMO, could have the same record as last season and still be a better team. I'm interested in seeing the team competitive against the tougher competition on our schedule.

To me, there's more than looking at the record. It's how competitive the team is.

Yep...The losses we do have....should/hopefully will have that same UGA game type of vibe. Call me stupid...but that game gave great promise to us getting back. The aggressive 4 dn calls where inspiring, not giving up...even CBJ got a penalty for BS Ref call. If we play like that every game this season...
A competitive team
 
Yep...The losses we do have....should/hopefully will have that same UGA game type of vibe. Call me stupid...but that game gave great promise to us getting back. The aggressive 4 dn calls where inspiring, not giving up...even CBJ got a penalty for BS Ref call. If we play like that every game this season...
A competitive team

Agree. :good!:

As much as I hated to see UT lose, it was very competitive and the team could hold its head high that day.
 
Yep...The losses we do have....should/hopefully will have that same UGA game type of vibe. Call me stupid...but that game gave great promise to us getting back. The aggressive 4 dn calls where inspiring, not giving up...even CBJ got a penalty for BS Ref call. If we play like that every game this season...
A competitive team

That's what I am expecting this year too!
 
SJT Neither inherited a team that was loaded with talent. Which is changing thanks to Butch's 32 this year.
One class isn't going to get it done. Dooley had one pretty decent class too. He couldn't follow it up in part because he couldn't get wins.

I expect to see talented players playing like they did against Georgia and USC all year. You also seemed to have left off my comment about if we have 5 wins this year we should all be wondering if Butch is up to the job. Didn't suit?
Actually I am pretty sure I agreed with what you said should be reasonable expectations. I was very happy to see that.
Vandy and Missouri games really bother you don't they?
ANY game where the team loses one it shouldn't or is totally uncompetitive when it shouldn't be bothers me. I'm truly sorry if that offends you. It ain't changing.

Missouri was Dobbs first start with an inexperienced team and a coaching staff that was gun shy. And Missouri played in the SECCG last year.
UT should not have been manhandled like that. The DC made ZERO effective adjustments to a simple sweep play.

Vandy was winnable, but our NFL caliber OL couldn't get 1 yard against a much less talented team (your words). How are they going in the Draft combine right now?
Looks like what, 4, are going to be drafted? That sure sounds like enough talent to get a yard against Vandy.
If Jones (and a big IF as we haven't played a down yet) posts the same results as Dooley, he should expect to get the same result from the AD- FIRED.
Why are you trying to be so disagreeable... in agreeing with me?

If he loses to Kentucky this year with this amount of talent, like Dooley did in year 2, he should expect to be on the hot seat too. That is the same standard right?
Yes. How about Vandy this year? How about USU? ASU? If losses, would any of those games be a UK type game?

If he is 5-7 after this year he should be on the hot seat. If he is a better coach he will find a way to win another 1-2 games on this schedule. I, however, doubt Jones will post a 4-8, 5-7 season. His past record shows his teams improves year 2. I am more inclined to believe that it will be 7-5.
What exactly did I say that you disagreed with? You've pretty much agreed with me point by point in these last couple of posts.
 
I still think our DC is a liability and if that is indeed the case Butch's refusal to make a change will decide his fate.
 
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I still think our DC is a liability and if that is indeed the case Butch's refusal to make a change will decide his fate.

I'm sure Butch could go down to Louisianna and steal the chief! That would be awesome.
 
One class isn't going to get it done. Dooley had one pretty decent class too. He couldn't follow it up in part because he couldn't get wins.

Actually I am pretty sure I agreed with what you said should be reasonable expectations. I was very happy to see that.
ANY game where the team loses one it shouldn't or is totally uncompetitive when it shouldn't be bothers me. I'm truly sorry if that offends you. It ain't changing.

UT should not have been manhandled like that. The DC made ZERO effective adjustments to a simple sweep play.

Looks like what, 4, are going to be drafted? That sure sounds like enough talent to get a yard against Vandy.
Why are you trying to be so disagreeable... in agreeing with me?

Yes. How about Vandy this year? How about USU? ASU? If losses, would any of those games be a UK type game?

What exactly did I say that you disagreed with? You've pretty much agreed with me point by point in these last couple of posts.

Jones has had 2 classes in my book and flipped the roster to his players and that talent and competition is showing through.
You're constant bagging of the coaching staff including the DC and OC using Missouri and Vandy and any other blowout loss is what irritates added to the fact that you seem to think everything boils down to coaching. It doesn't always. You seemed to acknowledge in another thread what I wrote last year (think it was after the Missouri game) that it looked like CBJ was quarantining his young players from that losing mentality (getting them experience, toughening them up, showing the expectations and how much harder they must work and get buy in). I seem to remember Jones calling them "SOFT" too last year. Those players know the expectations now and have already started to show improvement. They have SEC talented players now too so excuses like being a young team won't cut it when other coaches seem to get more out of their young players.

I think we agree on something regarding the Vandy game. Should we have been in that position in the first place. No but still the game was winnable. It's not too much to ask 4 OL that are going to be drafted in the NFL to pick up 1 yard against some lower talented players to win the game is it? That is what I have constantly said. They get the 1 yard. They get the first down and run out the clock. Vandy doesn't come back and we go to a bowl.

USU, ASU Vandy, Chat And UK should be wins in my book this year. Losing any of those will have me wondering if we hired the right guy. We should also win Missouri with the amount of talent they lost and I think Florida is ripe for the picking this year with all the turmoil there as well. That makes 7 in my book and competitive or another win against the rest. I think we should win at least win 7 every year if not 8,9 or 10 from now on if CBJ is the right guy.

As for ESPN and 4-8. They can shove it!
 
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I still think our DC is a liability and if that is indeed the case Butch's refusal to make a change will decide his fate.

Agree. Jones recruited some strong defensive players, but they will be held back as long as Jancek is still the DC.
 
Jones has had 2 classes in my book and flipped the roster to his players and that talent and competition is showing through.
I liked last year's class too and especially when you consider the absolute WORST thing Dooley did to Jones. He quit sometime mid-season in '12. IMHO, if they had not fired Dooley, he would have walked away. Sometimes you get in a situation that you cannot possibly climb out of. That's where he was.

But you still want to leave with some sort of dignity. I think he quit recruiting completely and left Jones with pretty much nothing to build on.

You're constant bagging of the coaching staff including the DC and OC using Missouri and Vandy and any other blowout loss is what irritates added to the fact that you seem to think everything boils down to coaching. It doesn't always.
I agree. With Dobbs, I'm not sure Mizzou was winnable due to his youthful mistakes. But you don't let the same play beat you over and over and over without making a single effective adjustment or at least trying a different player grouping. UT didn't have the guns to beat Bama or Oregon. You have said that you expect to see the team competitive. I do too... and the coaching. There were times last fall when neither were.

You seemed to acknowledge in another thread what I wrote last year (think it was after the Missouri game) that it looked like CBJ was quarantining his young players from that losing mentality (getting them experience, toughening them up, showing the expectations and how much harder they must work and get buy in). I seem to remember Jones calling them "SOFT" too last year.
Not exactly. I am talking specifically about in game coaching. Yes. I know it all flows together... but at the same time why let AJ play all night with McCullers in his lap? It wasn't just that they may have been holding guys out. Why not try J Wms at DT last year? Why not move Walls or Miller inside? Both had played inside before. Both are closer to what Jancek seems to want from a DT. Yet they kept running McCullers out there... and he killed them. Jones was prophetic on that one. Their D sure enough went like McCullers went.

Those players know the expectations now and have already started to show improvement. They have SEC talented players now too so excuses like being a young team won't cut it when other coaches seem to get more out of their young players.
Agree completely.

You seem to think its OK when you say stuff like that... but not me?

I think we agree on something regarding the Vandy game. Should we have been in that position in the first place. No but still the game was winnable. It's not too much to ask 4 OL that are going to be drafted in the NFL to pick up 1 yard against some lower talented players to win the game is it? That is what I have constantly said. They get the 1 yard. They get the first down and run out the clock. Vandy doesn't come back and we go to a bowl.
I'll get hammered of course and this is NOT a claim that the O was good that game... but the fact that they could not defense a simple WR screen ALL DAY was the biggest factor in that loss in my opinion.

I think Jones miscalculated. He said UT had to "manage the game". Franklin took the exact same approach- he had to. Jones didn't have to. He had better players.

Franklin outcoached him. He used that stupid WR screen every time he needed to extend a drive.

USU, ASU Vandy, Chat And UK should be wins in my book this year. Losing any of those will have me wondering if we hired the right guy. We should also win Missouri with the amount of talent they lost and I think Florida is ripe for the picking this year with all the turmoil there as well. That makes 7 in my book and competitive or another win against the rest. I think we should win at least win 7 every year if not 8,9 or 10 from now on if CBJ is the right guy.
We agree on this. I also like the fact that UF was moved back. I have long believed it was a distinct disadvantage for UT to play them earlier.

As for ESPN and 4-8. They can shove it!
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Agree. Jones recruited some strong defensive players, but they will be held back as long as Jancek is still the DC.

I have been very critical of Jancek from day 1 he was hired. But we have to give him and rest of defensive staff some credit for recruiting as well - CBJ had a lot to do with it but recruits do look at their position coaches and assistants closely as well. Given how well the recruiting class turned out let's see what they can do on the field this year. Perhaps Jancek will prove he can do well with his own talented recruits. If we still don't see any improvement this year then Jancek certainly needs to go - improvement is not measured just in W-L - let's also see if we can be more competitive and stop giving up 50+ yard plays and getting blown out against every decent team we play.
 

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