ESPN thinks we go 4-8 next year

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BeattieFeathers said:
Hey I'm all in for butch. I think he should get 5 years to prove himself not two as some are suggesting.
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Butch is here at least until 2018 no matter what anyone on this forum believes. Hart is going to let Butch get a few recruiting classes in before his seat gets even lukewarm, and I personally don't mind it. Butch is an entertainer, and even if he never wins a NC at UT, most fans will still love the guy. He loves UT and it's traditions, so you really can't ask for more. I think we'll be just fine with Jones at helm. We'll make a bowl this year. A lot of people are expecting this 5-7/6-6 record, but I think we surprise a lot of teams this year. His improvements at Cinci from year 1 to year 2 are what gives me a little bit of hope for this season.
 
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Dave1967 said:
It could happen. USC will fall back into the pack with inexperienced QB and defense. Georgia will be average with new QB and poor defense,8-9 wins at most for the Dawgs.
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Anything can happen. But pointing to a highly-recruited, senior QB, while we have the RBs and receivers we have, might be a little shortsighted. HM won't have to be a superstar to run our O, but he has plenty of talent. He's not a freshman. D should be improved, scheme-wise over last season. We have the athletes. I'm not saying that we win the East, but we should be in contention. We had a horrible time last season with injuries.
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
Anything can happen. But pointing to a highly-recruited, senior QB, while we have the RBs and receivers we have, might be a little shortsighted. HM won't have to be a superstar to run our O, but he has plenty of talent. He's not a freshman. D should be improved, scheme-wise over last season. We have the athletes. I'm not saying that we win the East, but we should be in contention. We had a horrible time last season with injuries.
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I saw your qb.....joe cox or joe tereshinski level.
 
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fade route said:
If Jones is on the hot seat after 5-7 in his second year of a major rebuilding project in the toughest conference in football, facing one of the most difficult schedules in the league, and replacing virtually everyone on both sides of the line, then our fan base's football IQ has hit rock bottom.
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Bama's didn't and they've won numerous NC'S!
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Randolph,sutton,and aj Johnson are quality,proven sec players. Magitt and Vereen are all hype so far. The rest of the guys mentioned are pedestrian. I am hoping Jim will be a good player.
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Maggitt is hype? You must be a USU fan or have been living under a rock somewhere.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
This is absolute bologna. Our record will have nothing to do with whether butch is the right guy or not. We have holes all over the field that you guys are ignoring. A walk on lt and freshman rt alone would keep most coaches up all night. Furthermore, I don't expect butch to be a great coach. I expect great recruiting because great coaches fail with average talent. I expect butch to be a solid coach that recruits great players. There is nothing on his resume to suggest he was ever a great coach. Let's not fire up the hot board because of unrealistic expectations and 6-6 might be unrealistic this year.
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How many different ways can someone be wrong?

One, every team outside of maybe the consensus top 5 have holes and questions right now. Because of constant turnover, it is the nature of college football and what makes it far more interesting than the NFL.

LT is a concern though.

Jones' history is just the opposite. Before this year, he had never been in the top 10 in recruiting. Before last year he'd never been in the top 25. His claim to fame is that he got more done with less... turned mid-pack talent into winners.

Lastly, this is most certainly a test of the staff and Jones. Coaches coach. They make teams better and if they don't then they don't get paid.... and no, they don't just recruit. They coach.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Hey I'm all in for butch. I think he should get 5 years to prove himself not two as some are suggesting.
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EVERY year counts when a coach is proving himself... not just the 5th one. Five years if he's the wrong coach could put the program in an even deeper hole. And if it takes him 5 years to hit 6 to 8 wins... then he's DEFINITELY not the right coach.
 
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sjt18 said:
EVERY year counts when a coach is proving himself... not just the 5th one. Five years if he's the wrong coach could put the program in an even deeper hole. And if it takes him 5 years to hit 6 to 8 wins... then he's DEFINITELY not the right coach.
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What has Maggitt done? What has Vereen done? Butch is the right guy regardless of the record. His recruiting speaks volumes. I just dreading hearing the whiners and complainers this fall and dread the national media polling fun at our unrealistic fan base, yet again. Remember that we still have three classes recruited by doofus. Great players make great coaches.
 
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Look, I could care less about recruiting, you guys saying butch is the right guy, because he can recruit....no. He only be the right guy when he wins 10 games and stays at that leval.
Until then, the jury is out.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
Look, I could care less about recruiting, you guys saying butch is the right guy, because he can recruit....no. He only be the right guy when he wins 10 games and stays at that leval.
Until then, the jury is out.
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No body will ever meet that expectation. You are unrealistic and will never be happy. How dare you? We are a program that hasn't one over 7 games in 7 seasons?
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Hate to break it to the ESPN folks but we are not going 4-8 this year. There is enough talent to finish 6-6.
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Saddest quote ever by a vol fan. Put this in a thread ten years ago and you would have been lynched. Sighhhh

Never been 4-8 and it isn't happening this year either although was only one upset win away from 4-8 last year.

No reason to think this team won't be 7-5. The biggest improvement in a coaches tenure is year one to year two. Over half of this team is now Butch's kids. TN beats Fla and signals the fall of Muschamp and rise of Butch.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
No body will ever meet that expectation. You are unrealistic and will never be happy. How dare you? We are a program that hasn't one over 7 games in 7 seasons?
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Most big name coaches have met that expectation at other colleges. Also, they typically are hired in the wake of disastrous tenures, some on par or worse than UT's last several seasons. Most people realize Butch has alot to fix and are being patient, but it is not unreasonable to expect a bowl win in year 2, and be disappointed if that goal isn't met. Do you not think Butch has placed the same expectations on himself and the staff/players, or do you think he's making excuses? IIRC, he was probably more pissed off about last season than anyone on this forum. It could be argued that any fan demanding success is simply reiterating what Jones himself has stated repeatedly, something he refers to as the Tennessee standard.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
This is absolute bologna. Our record will have nothing to do with whether butch is the right guy or not. We have holes all over the field that you guys are ignoring. A walk on lt and freshman rt alone would keep most coaches up all night. Furthermore, I don't expect butch to be a great coach. I expect great recruiting because great coaches fail with average talent. I expect butch to be a solid coach that recruits great players. There is nothing on his resume to suggest he was ever a great coach. Let's not fire up the hot board because of unrealistic expectations and 6-6 might be unrealistic this year.
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I think you might've missed the context in which he made his statement about knowing if Butch will be "the right guy"..... it was in this historical context.....

"In the Championship Game era, every single coach who wound up winning an SEC title won at least 9 regular season games in his second year with only one exception."

I'm a big advocate for Butch, I recognize the awful shape the program was left in by Dooley, saw the absolute lack of talent, especially with regards to speed, that the 2013 roster had. He's done not a good, but a great job with this program in every facet off the field to this point..... couldn't be happier. But I also remember 5 very, very bad losses last year via blowout (Oregon, Bama, Auburn, Mizzou, Florida) and one by being severely out coached (Vandy).

I think and I hope that Butch is the last head football coach hire we make for the next 2 decades. They way he represents and promotes the program and University is great and the best we could ever hope for. But history shows that if he falls short of 9 wins this year that he will likely never win an SEC title, which is the primary reason for which he was hired.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
Look, I could care less about recruiting, you guys saying butch is the right guy, because he can recruit....no. He only be the right guy when he wins 10 games and stays at that leval.
Until then, the jury is out.
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We all get excited about recruiting and it certainly is an important element. But you have to put those recruits in the right places and coach them well in order to be a top-tier program. CBJ has shown that he can recruit 1 great class so far. No reason to believe he can't do it again. He has an uphill battle this season, schedule-wise. I don't think 4 wins will be all. I also don't think 8 is in the cards. Somewhere in between. A bowl game should (and probably is amongst coaches) the goal. This will be the season to test whether or not CBJ can coach in the SEC. My guess is that the answer is yes and that UT at least comes close to winning 7. It will depend on whether you can patch together an O-line and somehow your D-coordinator can learn to coach at this level. 4 wins will be what you'll face if both of these things don't happen, IMHO.
 
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[QUOTE I'm a big advocate for Butch, I recognize the awful shape the program was left in by Dooley, saw the absolute lack of talent, especially with regards to speed, that the 2013 roster had. He's done not a good, but a great job with this program in every facet off the field to this point..... couldn't be happier. But I also remember 5 very, very bad losses last year via blowout (Oregon, Bama, Auburn, Mizzou, Florida) and one by being severely out coached (Vandy).

I think and I hope that Butch is the last head football coach hire we make for the next 2 decades. They way he represents and promotes the program and University is great and the best we could ever hope for. But history shows that if he falls short of 9 wins this year that he will likely never win an SEC title, which is the primary reason for which he was hired.[/QUOTE]

If CBJ wins 9 games this season, he should be hands-down the favorite for COY of the NCAA. And every team with a vacancy should be looking to hire him.
 
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sjt18 said:
Six to 8 win team if Jones is the right guy. More competitive in every game than last year.
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Either this or go 5-7 again but pull another top 5 class - I would keep CBJ or pretty much any coach for at least few more years as they can keep recruiting like that regardless of W-L record. However, it's extremely unlikely anybody can keep pulling those types of classes unless they start winning.
 
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KBVol said:
I think you might've missed the context in which he made his statement about knowing if Butch will be "the right guy"..... it was in this historical context.....

"In the Championship Game era, every single coach who wound up winning an SEC title won at least 9 regular season games in his second year with only one exception."

I'm a big advocate for Butch, I recognize the awful shape the program was left in by Dooley, saw the absolute lack of talent, especially with regards to speed, that the 2013 roster had. He's done not a good, but a great job with this program in every facet off the field to this point..... couldn't be happier. But I also remember 5 very, very bad losses last year via blowout (Oregon, Bama, Auburn, Mizzou, Florida) and one by being severely out coached (Vandy).

I think and I hope that Butch is the last head football coach hire we make for the next 2 decades. They way he represents and promotes the program and University is great and the best we could ever hope for. But history shows that if he falls short of 9 wins this year that he will likely never win an SEC title, which is the primary reason for which he was hired.
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Butch inherited the worst collection of talent in 50 years on the hill, with the exception of the oline. One play and one injury was the difference in the vandy game. He didn't get severely out coached....that's plain silly. As for the blowouts, those teams were that much better than us and nick saban on our sidelines would have made no difference. We are going to likely start 5 true freshmen and five jucos. Not a recipe for success in the toughest league in America.
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
[QUOTE I'm a big advocate for Butch, I recognize the awful shape the program was left in by Dooley, saw the absolute lack of talent, especially with regards to speed, that the 2013 roster had. He's done not a good, but a great job with this program in every facet off the field to this point..... couldn't be happier. But I also remember 5 very, very bad losses last year via blowout (Oregon, Bama, Auburn, Mizzou, Florida) and one by being severely out coached (Vandy).

I think and I hope that Butch is the last head football coach hire we make for the next 2 decades. They way he represents and promotes the program and University is great and the best we could ever hope for. But history shows that if he falls short of 9 wins this year that he will likely never win an SEC title, which is the primary reason for which he was hired.
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If CBJ wins 9 games this season, he should be hands-down the favorite for COY of the NCAA. And every team with a vacancy should be looking to hire him.[/QUOTE]

Agree. He's not winning 9 games this year, period. But he doesn't have to to win my confidence that he coach on Saturdays. Win 7 games, 1 or 2 he's not "supposed to", and stop the embarrassing losses - the 59-0 runs, the 35-0 halftime deficits, a loss to a bad Vanderbilt team- and he'll have me 100% bought in.
 
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KBVol said:
If CBJ wins 9 games this season, he should be hands-down the favorite for COY of the NCAA. And every team with a vacancy should be looking to hire him.
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Agree. He's not winning 9 games this year, period.[/QUOTE]

Crazy talk....should have kep Fulmer and agreed to eight is enough. In hindsight, that was realistic. 8 wins in a down year is pretty darn good.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Agree. He's not winning 9 games this year, period.
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Crazy talk....should have kep Fulmer and agreed to eight is enough. In hindsight, that was realistic. 8 wins in a down year is pretty darn good.[/QUOTE]



Rattle off the 9 wins for me chief. Give me the 9 wins in the face of brand new OL and DLs, uncertainty at QB, and 15-20 freshmen playing in the 2 deep......
 
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KBVol said:
Crazy talk....should have kep Fulmer and agreed to eight is enough. In hindsight, that was realistic. 8 wins in a down year is pretty darn good.
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Rattle off the 9 wins for me chief. Give me the 9 wins in the face of brand new OL and DLs, uncertainty at QB, and 15-20 freshmen playing in the 2 deep......[/QUOTE]

I agree with you. I think 4 to 6 wins is likely. Vandy and mo are swing games. Ole miss could be our upset special. I don't think our 2015 qb is on campus. The old saying goes if uou have 4 qbs you don't have one.
 
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