Ethnic Profiling

#1
OWB

OWB

Never
Staff member
Joined
Oct 16, 2004
Messages
47,161
Likes
834
#1
I'm watching the news this morning and some are talking about ethnic profiling being the most effective and efficient tool when it comes to airport security and screening. Thoughts?
 
#2
#2
Not really sure because you're entering some pretty dangerous territory there. The next question is where does it end? Does some racist TSA employee suddenly make it tough for all minorities and claim he has the right?

On the other hand, you don't see many blonde hair, blue eyed guys willing to blow themselves up in the name of religion. The thing is though that the western countries are becoming so mixed it's hard to tell someones nationality for sure anymore. So, as you can see, I'm not really sure where I am.

I think the profiling was also being suggested in Europe, not the US. I don't see it ever being done here.
 
#3
#3
I have no problem with profiling. How many terrorists world wide haven't been Muslim? Its not a catch all, but who is more prone likley to be a terrorist, a 25 year old single Egyptian flying to Sheboygan or a 65 year old Catholic grandmother flying with her 10 grandchildren?
 
#4
#4
It's not politically correct but let's not play stupid either.I think you have to use common sense approach as well as past statistics.United States has got to get away from the pacifist mindset.:thumb:
 
#5
#5
Considering there are quite a large number of Middle Easterners who don't even look stereotypically ME, I'd think we need to move beyond this. And what kind of ethnicity are we looking at? There are a lot of Muslims from the former Soviet Muslim breakaway regions with Russian surnames. What of Indonesians? Filipinos? Africans? There are Muslims all over the globe who are not what we consider typical Muslims in appearance. Basically this means anyone with a non-Anglo-Saxon name could be a threat....but what of the Muslims in the UK who may have adopted those types of names? Or what of the John Lindh's of the world?

These people adapt. If they know we look for one thing, they'll work on something else. If our focus is on someone of a certain appearance or surname, they will find a way around it.
 
#6
#6
utvolpj said:
I think the profiling was also being suggested in Europe, not the US. I don't see it ever being done here.
Click to expand...

Nope, it was a topic discussed concerning the U.S.

I'm mixed on it, while I generally think that it's wrong, we're living in a different world. While it might be considered racial profiling, it would certainly drive the point home. If every terrorist new they were going to be subject to search every time they get on a plane, that would probably discourage them from trying that tactic.
 
#7
#7
Call it what you will but if Im gettin on a plane and I see middle eastern folks boarding, Im thinking :eek:hmy: .
 
#8
#8
OWB said:
Nope, it was a topic discussed concerning the U.S.

I'm mixed on it, while I generally think that it's wrong, we're living in a different world. While it might be considered racial profiling, it would certainly drive the point home. If every terrorist new they were going to be subject to search every time they get on a plane, that would probably discourage them from trying that tactic.
Click to expand...

I don't see a problem with it. Profiling is just using a set of data or characteristics from previous events to help target people that might want to commit similar events. The data doesn't lie, data is not racist or anything.
 
#9
#9
If it's effective, then it should be carefully considered. It's one more data point to add to the whole profile (behavior, ticket purchase method, do-not fly list, etc.)

As CS points out, ethnicity is not always outwardly apparent and terrorists are likely adapting to use non-obvious (e.g. mothers with babies) bombers.

Perhaps they should reverse profile and purposely ignore some passengers (e.g. grandma)
 
#10
#10
OWB said:
Nope, it was a topic discussed concerning the U.S.

I'm mixed on it, while I generally think that it's wrong, we're living in a different world. While it might be considered racial profiling, it would certainly drive the point home. If every terrorist new they were going to be subject to search every time they get on a plane, that would probably discourage them from trying that tactic.
Click to expand...

Sorry, I read an article this morning on the UK plan for this very thing.
 
#13
#13
allvol123 said:
I don't see a problem with it. Profiling is just using a set of data or characteristics from previous events to help target people that might want to commit similar events. The data doesn't lie, data is not racist or anything.
Click to expand...



Then should they be on the lookout for people who look like Timothy McVeigh or Terry Nichols?
 
#14
#14
Jasongivm6 said:
Then should they be on the lookout for people who look like Timothy McVeigh or Terry Nichols?
Click to expand...

If you would pay attention to my quote and think intelligently you would have your answer. Those are 2 white guys among thousands of muslim fascists who have all committed terrorist acts. So they should profile accordingly. Again, the numbers do not lie.
 
#15
#15
i have no problem profiling. last nite on fox news i was watching them discuss this topic, and they had a white guy who was like look who are the terrorists, they are muslim men between the ages of 20-35 or so. and the guy arguing against him was a black guy who was like ya'll are all racists blah blah blah, and they asked him well who has commited the terrorists acts, and the black man said i don't know. i was like man u look like an idiot right now. y does everything that happens to another race automatically mean that the black people suffer as well? don't get me wrong. i'm not racist and my best friend is black. but i don't understand how everything affects them in some way. it makes me sick
 
#16
#16
allvol123 said:
If you would pay attention to my quote and think intelligently you would have your answer. Those are 2 white guys among thousands of muslim fascists who have all committed terrorist acts. So they should profile accordingly. Again, the numbers do not lie.
Click to expand...



I did read your quote. Where's my answer? Profiling? Nope.
Are we going to try to profile young men of Arab or South Asian descent, the followers of al-Qaeda and Islamist extremism in 65 nations, including the Philippines, Indonesia and several nations in Africa, none of whose citizens would fit the desired profile? You need a much larger sampling not to have a sampling error. Ask an actuary. How are we going to profile the sniper mass murderers? Most of them have been white. The one's in DC were black. Are we going to question Kareem-Abdul Jabaar?? Should he change his name back to Lou Alcinder? You need millions of data points to calculate risks and ensure accurate predictions.

And those 2 white men I was talking about killed 169 Americans in retaliation because a few other Americans
killed 80 other Americans.
 
#17
#17
Jasongivm6 said:
I did read your quote. Where's my answer? Profiling? Nope.
Are we going to try to profile young men of Arab or South Asian descent, the followers of al-Qaeda and Islamist extremism in 65 nations, including the Philippines, Indonesia and several nations in Africa, none of whose citizens would fit the desired profile? You need a much larger sampling not to have a sampling error. Ask an actuary. How are we going to profile the sniper mass murderers? Most of them have been white. The one's in DC were black. Are we going to question Kareem-Abdul Jabaar?? Should he change his name back to Lou Alcinder? You need millions of data points to calculate risks and ensure accurate predictions.

And those 2 white men I was talking about killed 169 Americans in retaliation because a few other Americans
killed 80 other Americans.
Click to expand...

None of whose citizens would fit the profile? All of these countries have large muslim populations, how would they not fit.



you don't need millions of data points. Anyway, there is a common thread among the modern terrorist, if you can't see it, open your eyes.
 
#18
#18
It is the world we live. It is a sad but true that the majority of terrorists have the same physical traits and similar names. An unfortunate reality in this cruel complicated world.
 
#20
#20
Jasongivm6 said:
What does a terrorist look like?
Click to expand...

I can give you some pretty good ideas of what they look like. First start with the names on the plane ticket, odds are you will see Ali, Hussein, something along those lines. Get your head out of the sand.
 
#21
#21
we're better of profiling than doing what we're doing now. if we miss a couple white boys and get all the arabs then that's better than what's going on now.
 
#22
#22
Most serial killers are white males. I guess I should expect the FBI to knock on my door any day now.
 
#23
#23
vader626 said:
Most serial killers are white males. I guess I should expect the FBI to knock on my door any day now.
Click to expand...

That a way to defend the situation. Is there a serial killer in your area presently? If there is, I should hope the FBI or whoever would start with what is the general profile of a serial killer. If you fit that description, so be it. It is intelligent to use history to learn from. Would you rather they start looking at 8 year old girls as the first suspects?
 
#24
#24
allvol123 said:
I can give you some pretty good ideas of what they look like. First start with the names on the plane ticket, odds are you will see Ali, Hussein, something along those lines. Get your head out of the sand.
Click to expand...


Ali? Hussein? Name ONE time that either of those 2 names ever committed a terrorist attack on U.S. soil.

I'll answer for you. ZERO

Out of those thousands of terrorists you refer to, guess how many have attacked the U.S? 19....That's right 19. 15 of them came from Saudi Arabia, the other 4 from Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, and Lebanon. Out of the more than 65 nations that have ties to Al-Queda, are we going to only look for the ones that come from these 4 countries?


Should I be on the lookout for this guy?


His name isn't Ali, or Hussein.
 

Attachments

  • Young_jarrah.jpg
    Young_jarrah.jpg
    18.5 KB · Views: 19
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top