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#76
DiderotsGhost said:
If the ROA is -20%, it doesn't matter if the interest rate is 0%, it's still a bad investment. No idea what the ROA on ETSU's football investment will be, but I suspect it will be very negative based on prior experience.
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I don't know how to quantify the return on investment for a football program. I know what it's done for Mercer over a short term. I can't imagine that EAST Tn alumni are any less likely to get excited about their program than any other school.
 
#77
#77
The only thing I can tell you, is the feeling about ETSU's new football program is the same as it was when they axed the old one. Complete apathy, the people living in the Tri-Cities just don't care.
 
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RollinVol said:
If I was a parent who didn't make a lot of money. If I wanted to take my boys out for a father and son outing. I would probably be able to do 3 etsu games compared to 1 UT game. I'll take them to ETSU to spend some quality time.
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well said
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Cavan had 2 winning seasons out of five. His overall record was 30-27 and he was probably the best coach ETSU ever had. For his two winning seasons, one was a 6-5 campaign; the other a 10-3 run (his last year before taking the job at SMU).

Mike Cavan - Wikipedia

Aside from that one 10-3 season, I can't remember ETSU having any other "good" seasons. At best, we were middle-of-the-pack in the Southern Conference; and honestly, we were probably slightly below that.

I get the "if it's done right, it can be profitable" argument, but given ETSU's total lack of tradition, coupled with lack of resources and fan support, the odds don't seem terribly great.
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You should have dug a little bit deeper....coach John Robert Bell led the team to a 10-0-1 record in 1969. They won the Ohio Valley Conference Championship and defeated Louisiana Tech, led by quarterback Terry Bradshaw
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I don't know how to quantify the return on investment for a football program. I know what it's done for Mercer over a short term. I can't imagine that EAST Tn alumni are any less likely to get excited about their program than any other school.
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Just look at the income statement. It'll tell you if your investment is doing anything.
 
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Burger said:
Just look at the income statement. It'll tell you if your investment is doing anything.
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I went to a small Div III school that fields a football team which rarely goes over .500. Although they don't give athletic scholarships, most of the team was on some sort of other financial aid. The school examined the cost of the football program and floated the idea of terminating football awhile back.

It turned out that a large number of former players were now very wealthy alumni who were making substantial donations to the college. They directly said they would stop donations if football was termnated.

Perhaps ETSU and Mercer are hoping for the same sort of thing. Bring in good, solid kids who will graduate and go on to have very successful careers. Looking back, they will remember football as one of their best experiences in college.
 
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#83
#83
You all do realize that the vast majority of College football programs, even at the Div I level DO NOT make money? College football on campus goes far beyond just dollars.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
I went to a small Div III school that fields a football team which rarely goes over .500. Although they don't give athletic scholarships, most of the team was on some sort of other financial aid. The school examined the cost of the football program and floated the idea of terminating football awhile back.

It turned out that a large number of former players were now very wealthy alumni who were making substantial donations to the college. They directly said they would stop donations if football was termnated.

Perhaps ETSU and Mercer are hoping for the same sort of thing. Bring in good, solid kids who will graduate and go on to have very successful careers. Looking back, they will remember football as one of their best experiences in college.
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My daughter's DIII school was like this. DI school in the same town, but everyone turned out for her school's games.

Unless things have changed since my son was there (very possible), the problem with ETSU is that it's a commuter school. That campus was empty on weekends.
 
#85
#85
ETSU would be better served spending the money on a Hockey team. It would at least draw interest from the novelty of it.
 
#86
#86
I used to go to ETSU in the 80's and they had a solid basketball team with Les Robinson as head coach.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
I went to a small Div III school that fields a football team which rarely goes over .500. Although they don't give athletic scholarships, most of the team was on some sort of other financial aid. The school examined the cost of the football program and floated the idea of terminating football awhile back.

It turned out that a large number of former players were now very wealthy alumni who were making substantial donations to the college. They directly said they would stop donations if football was termnated.

Perhaps ETSU and Mercer are hoping for the same sort of thing. Bring in good, solid kids who will graduate and go on to have very successful careers. Looking back, they will remember football as one of their best experiences in college.
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I graduated several years ago. Until football, I donated to my fraternity but never the school directly and I only went back to Macon for a couple of weddings. Now, I'm a donor and I spent two weekends in Macon last year for games. I've got a lot of friends who could say the same. It's given us a reason to go back other than waiting to see who can survive to the 50th class reunion.
 
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volfanbill said:
uh, I'm talking about right now. Duh. If I could somehow make it out tonight in this mess, I would see Appy St stuff 4-1 to UNC stuff. Maybe more.
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That only answers part of my question. A lot of the popularity Appalachain State enjoys is due to their great mid 2000s success, and getting national attention by knocking off then #5 Michigan.

How much statewide attention did they get in the early 2000s, or back in the 1990s or 1980s, when they had good seasons and did good in conference, but where not as big nationally? I'd guess not nearly as much as they currently have.
 
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i live 5 minutes from the ETSU campus, but there is still nothing ETSU is going to do to make me miss a Vols game on saturday to watch them. If its a thursday or friday game i might go once in awhile, but thats about it.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
You gonna miss a UT game to watch ETSU? Doubt it. And not many people will which is why this is going to fall flat on its face...again
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im as much a bucaneer as i am a Vol. tennessee athletics...its hard to explain how i feel about that. its something u feel at birth. etsu. its the home city school. i want them both to do well. i love etsu and ut. they domt really compete with one another anyway.
 
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butchball13 said:
I'm an ETSU grad as well. When I was your age I didn't support ETSU football either. As an older person, I went to a game at Appy St. It really bothered me that I didn't have something like that as an alum.

So you're right, ETSU will never even remotely be a threat to UT, but someday you may want to visit the college you attended and take your kids.

I like what President Nolan is doing.


Also, take a walk around Appy St. The new construction on campus was paid for by that football program's success. ETSU could...I say could....benefit from the same type of success and improve that campus and other programs.

JMO
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boom! this^

i love my home city. i hope to hell that johnson city can for once use the momentum from something positive and not drop tbe ball
 
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reverseosmosis said:
They cut football because of the state budget situation at the time. All state entities were required to make across the board financial cuts. ETSU decided that it was simpler to cut football for a major portion of that cost slashing rather than smaller cuts across more areas. The turf in the dome was due to be replaced at that time, and that expense alone was significant and without football it was not a necessity to replace.
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the dome should be razed.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I am an ETSU alum. I was a student when the football program got axed. The mini dome stunk, literally. No one cared about the team and it was absolutely a drain on the school. The very next semester after it was gone the improvements started. New computers, class rooms with suites of new tech, the dorms improved. My wife is a current student and the improvements mentioned in this thread are absolutely true. It's amazing it took so long to get a parking garage. It didn't go before and nothing has changed to make me think it will go now. They let the students vote on it a while back and they voted against it. The University went around the student body and brought it back. I live in JC, no one is talking about the new football team...no one.
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my friends and i are all alum. not sure where uve been hiding? the city is buzzing. what did etsu do to your cheerios to hate them so much? this is awesome for your school, your town, and everyone in the tri cities! it will create jobs and revenue.
 
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jackcrevol said:
my friends and i are all alum. not sure where uve been hiding? the city is buzzing. what did etsu do to your cheerios to hate them so much? this is awesome for your school, your town, and everyone in the tri cities! it will create jobs and revenue.
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No. It will not create revenue. It is going to lose money every single year for a pretty long time. Football is a very expensive sport.

What did Etsu do to me? Oh idk raise my tuition $300 to pay for a football program that 70% of the students voted against. Thanks ETSU! Also thanks for that parking garage I paid for and never even got to use because its 2 years behind schedule. They keep saying its because of weather delays but the hospital had theirs built ages ago and construction started around the same time. We will see how well football attendance does after a couple 2-10 seasons.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
No. It will not create revenue. It is going to lose money every single year for a pretty long time. Football is a very expensive sport.

What did Etsu do to me? Oh idk raise my tuition $300 to pay for a football program that 70% of the students voted against. Thanks ETSU! Also thanks for that parking garage I paid for and never even got to use because its 2 years behind schedule. They keep saying its because of weather delays but the hospital had theirs built ages ago and construction started around the same time. We will see how well football attendance does after a couple 2-10 seasons.
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heres an idea bru.

transfer.
 
#98
#98
jackcrevol said:
heres an idea bru.

trShe was in a lot of pain for a little while, but seems to be doing nowansfer.
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So instead of defending your stance, you go with this, fantastic.

I've been home a hslf dozen times since they anmounced football was coming back, including a two week stay a couple of months ago. No one was talking about etsu football. Yet you claim the place is buzzing. very few people could even tell me the possible locations of a new stadium. Yet you claim JC is buzzing about etsu football.
 
#100
#100
Lol at everyone saying buc games are going to interfere with ut games. If Butch does what he's supposed to then UT will be playing most of their games at 3:30, 7 or 8. Etsu can kick off at 12 and people can still have plenty of time to get home or to a bar for UT kick-off.

They could also work their schedule so they're away while UT is home and home games when UT is away as much as possible. This isn't rocket surgery people.
 
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