Even if Tennessee Gets Gruden Tennessee isnt returning to prominence?

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oryankees said:
So... what i get out of that article is since we don't have the in-state talent that Georgia, Florida, Texas A&M, etc. have then we're never going to return to prominence.

Damn, Bleacher Report is stupid
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maybe you should read it a little closer. this is what it says.

"It's going to take a guy who is willing to grind in recruiting to push Tennessee where it wants to go. Not just a name. Not just a face. Not just a guy who can win a press conference. The Volunteers need a hustler who will sell the program to kids and build a talent base and a pipeline."
 
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If Notre Dame can be turned around... I think anyone has a shot.

Even if this next coach, whoever he may be, doesn't exactly do it, it will eventually happen, that much I can guarantee.
 
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00FattyT said:
maybe you should read it a little closer. this is what it says.

"It's going to take a guy who is willing to grind in recruiting to push Tennessee where it wants to go. Not just a name. Not just a face. Not just a guy who can win a press conference. The Volunteers need a hustler who will sell the program to kids and build a talent base and a pipeline."
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Exactly!

If Bleacher Report posted an article stating Gruden was signed sealed and delivered to UT there would be 20,000 threads started about it.... and no one would say, "But it came from Bleacher Report."
 
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Ashevillevol said:
Since you have been here 8 years you have seen enough to know the rules. You don't have to follow th rules, but you will suffer the wrath of VN if you choose not to.:hi:
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No, I "signed up" 8 years ago. I've not been on here night and day for 8 years. Many of my posts have been from bantering back and forth on the same post.

I have a life. I don't eat, sleep, and piss Tennessee football. My God comes first. My wife and children come next. Then my friends. Football is way down there where it should be. Something fun to do now and again. Something fun to talk about now and then. That's all it is for me. So you whine and moan and groan about someone posting articles that you don't like.......it's probably 'cause your arse is sitting on volnation boards way too much - becoming the people you detest.

So I say if you don't like someone posting bleacher reports then get off the boards for a while. You're here FAR too much and your little girl misses you.
 
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vols22 said:
Would somebody block volnTEARS from posting!!! lol
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Gruden is a football equivalent to a rock star. Every kid in America that is a real prospect knows him and would die to be on a team led by hm. He is the one guy in my mind that could wreak havoc in the recruiting world. These kids all want to get to the NFL, and Gruden can make them think he can get them there. Our recruiting classes will probably go to #1 by the second year if not the first.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
Where is a mod when you need one...

You cannot post articles from non-reputable sights on VN..

BR does not qualify since my 12 year old son could write an article on get it on that site..
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Can you please give your list of reputable sites?

If you disagree with the article my friend, that's one thing but what makes bleachers report non-reputable?

So go ahead and give me your list of reputable sites. I can't wait to see this.
 
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Flathead said:
Gruden is a football equivalent to a rock star. Every kid in America that is a real prospect knows him and would die to be on a team led by hm. He is the one guy in my mind that could wreak havoc in the recruiting world. These kids all want to get to the NFL, and Gruden can make them think he can get them there. Our recruiting classes will probably go to #1 by the second year if not the first.
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For the record, I didn't agree with the article. I agree with your post. I didn't do the research on it but I'd be curious to see the percentages of in state recruiting now vs. maybe 20 years ago. Tennessee has all the goods it needs to recruit nationally. I just don't think it's as big of an issue as so many make it out to be. Like you said, Gruden is a rock star. And any kid in the nation will want to come play for him. That's why so many kids played for John Calipari at Memphis before they played for him at Kentucky.
 
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It is not mere percentages. We have players from those states. It is the caliber of player. We need to take the players that the big instate schools want. Every SEC team can not be in the top 10 at one time. For us to rise we need to take down (out recruit) some of those top 10 SEC teams ahead of us.
 
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It wouldn't matter if Hunter Thompson was writing for B/R people would still just assume bad. It will be diff
icult for any new coach to win 7-9 games next year. And until we start recruiting in the top 10, seven to nine wins will be the ceiling . but that is like my opinion man
 
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knoxvol16 said:
Well, even though I typically don't like The Bleacher Report, the article was spot-on. It basically states that the SEC (and other conferences) has/have changed since our last days of prominence, which is true. It's one of the (many) reasons why the program started falling of during CPF's last days.

Summary: It kind of states the obvious. It's going to take a true combination of aggressive recruiting and equally aggressive coaching to rebuild Tennessee's prominence.
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Spot-on? He is right the landscape has changed, but to say tennesse will have a sixth spot to all top sec schools is wild. Tennessee doesnt have one of the largest recruiting budgets for no reason. They can pull a kid from anywhere in the countey as they do every year. But he is right must be aggressive and win! Cures all
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
Whether we like it or not the writer makes a valid point, and he's not stating anything new. In the mid to late 1990's UT and UF really dominated the SEC, not just the East. Then Richt came to UGA and hired Rodney Garner away from UT and did a very good job of keeping the Georgia talent in-state. Butch Davis started keeping talent in North Carolina in-state. Spurrier at SCar and Swinney at Clemson have kept the top talent in SCarolina at home. IMO, aTm joining the SEC also hurts UT because now UT can no longer offer Texas kids the chance to come play in the SEC since they can now play in the SEC and stay close to home. And this is why I believe we need to hire a coach who has considerable college experience, has been in the SEC previously, and is an aggressive and relentless recruiter. And Gruden has none of these characteristics.
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The following is a list of universities who have had successful football programs, then the programs fell on hard times, then they returned to prominence.


Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Alabama, USC, Nebraska, OSU,

Notre Dame went through Ty Willingham, Bob Davies, & Charlie Weiss before they made the right hire and got it right. "Notre Dame has too many academic restrictions and they are not in a conference, so the days of Notre Dame are gone."

Oklahoma will never be good anymore because Texas gets the best recruits in the area and Oklahoma gets the left overs.

Alabama is on probation and it will take years to recover from that. DuBose, Shula, Franchonie and now they are on top again.

OSU lost its prominence after Woody Hayes was fired. Then years later they came back to prominence again with John Cooper and again with Tressel and now with Urban Crier.

With the right coach, we will bounce back.....
 
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Rudy123 said:
The following is a list of universities who have had successful football programs, then the programs fell on hard times, then they returned to prominence.


Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Alabama, USC, Nebraska, OSU,

Notre Dame went through Ty Willingham, Bob Davies, & Charlie Weiss before they made the right hire and got it right. "Notre Dame has too many academic restrictions and they are not in a conference, so the days of Notre Dame are gone."

Oklahoma will never be good anymore because Texas gets the best recruits in the area and Oklahoma gets the left overs.

Alabama is on probation and it will take years to recover from that. DuBose, Shula, Franchonie and now they are on top again.

OSU lost its prominence after Woody Hayes was fired. Then years later they came back to prominence again with John Cooper and again with Tressel and now with Urban Crier.

With the right coach, we will bounce back.....
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I'm sure we can eventually work our way back to prominence with the right coach. But as you noted, it was "years later". But my main point is that I don't think Gruden is the coach to do that, and I don't think we can simply 'bounce' back, because it wil be much tougher to bring UT back to prominence that when Majors started the process in the 80s and Fulmer carried it through the '90s. The SEC was not as loaded with great coaches and dominating programs like it is now, and keeping the best in-state recruits home has been difficult enough, much less poaching the best recruits from surrounding states when you are recruiting agaisnt top-tier coaches. Which is why I said I think we need a HC who has proven he can win - and recruit - preferably at another FBS school and preferably with ties to the SEC. Not a guy who has spent the last several years in an ESPN booth and who hasn't been involved with college football for 2 decades.
 
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I don't think Tennessee will be a contender until the next coach has at least 4 yrs of recruiting. I know some will say " Dooley didn't get 4 yrs" and you're right. Dooley was clearly driving the car off a cliff and they stopped him before he did. The next coach has to be better and a builder not a complete incompentant like DD.
 
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Absolutely stupid article we were competetive in about every game this year except bama and vandy (they quit) with no defense and totally inept head coaching and leadership we are not far at all from winning some ball games with a coach that can actuallly coach and get it out of his players,
 
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Yep, article is spot on.......................SARCASM.

Didn't everyone say the same thing about ND after CCW left? 3 years later Kelly has them at 12-0 playing for the NC.

Just shows that the right coach can overcome demographics, and build a team that can compete with anyone.
 
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VolnTEARS? said:
As so titled and argued by this article:

Even If Tennessee Gets Jon Gruden, Vols Aren't Returning to Prominence | Bleacher Report
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That is why I liked Gruden so much. Our biggest obstacle to prominence is not on-the-field coaching. I believe we will hire some people who can coach. We need someone who can make a really big splash NATIONALLY in recruiting.

I really believe that one of the reasons that Fulmer was no longer the great coach that he was in the nineties was 911. After 911, people were a lot less likely to want to jump on a plane to go to school or to go see their loved ones play. Now, most want to be within driving distance.

I believe that Gruden could have overcome that obstacle - for a couple of years - due to his rock-star status on the national level.

I disagree with the article on it primary premise though. Contrary to our won-loss record this year, we were not as far away from being a good team this year, as it might seem. We were 5 -7. We lost to 3 top 4 in the nation teams, and 4 of the top 12. Mississippi State is in some top 25 lists. The only 2 that we lost to outside of the top 25 were Missouri and Vandy. This was once the team had lost all hope of a great season. We were greatly deflated, and expected to lose our Head Coach at this point.

I think we were a top 30/35 team (I know, the defense was REALLy bad at times, but I put a lot of that on coaching, not talent.). We just picked a bad time to be at that level. Dooley made progress with some decent recruiting in a bad situation. So, now we just need to find someone who can take it up another notch or two.

I agree that is not as "easy" to do as it was before, but it is certainly doable.
 
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