Everything you need to know about the zone read

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So what would be the kryptonite to this O?
I'm guessing fast strong defenders (only guessing)
And the sec is loaded with them.
 
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First thread in a long long time that didn't dumb me down some and that's saying something thanks each and all for a civil and informative chat. GBO & op.
 
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Vol8188 said:
First comes the most important part of any running game, knowing when the numbers are in your favor. Most people like to talk about 7 or 8 man boxes. The problem is, that’s all relative to what personnel grouping you have on the field. If you are in 10 personnel (1 rb, 0 te, 4 wr), then 6 men in the box is equal to 8 men in the box for an I formation team.
So how do you move from 11 to 12 to 10 or even 21 personnel and still know when the numbers are in your favor to the run the football?
You simply count the number of deep safeties. If you see two deep safeties, our QB will not be involved in the zone read, because we have enough blockers in the box to handle their defenders.

That changes if the defense rolls the strong safety into the box. The defense now has 1 more player than we can block. The answer here, is to get the QB involved in the running game. The offense will now leave 1 player, and the QB will read him. If he chases the RB, the QB keeps it. You don’t need a QB with a 4.3 forty to be successful with this, because if the right read is made, the QB should be running into open grass.
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You are hired! :thumbsup:
 
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New here (been wtaching from the sidelines for awhile now). This is the best post I have seen yet. Thanks for the info!!!
 
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Thanks for the comments guys. I'm going to do some actual film study tonight of cbj teams, and get to more specifics of how he runs it, and more of his wrinkles.
 
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SmokeyFTW said:
So what would be the kryptonite to this O?
I'm guessing fast strong defenders (only guessing)
And the sec is loaded with them.
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What are you even saying?

Fast/strong defenders would make this offense harder to run? THERE IS NO OFFENSE THAT IS EASY TO RUN AGAINST PLAYER'S THAT ARE SUPERIOR TO YOU.

Here's what a lot of you fail to understand: ALL TALENT IS RELATIVE.

Meaning as long as an offense is based on sound principles (which the zone read is), then it will work at any level of football. Including the SEC.

Sure the SEC defenses he's facing may be bigger and stronger than the one's he saw in the Big Least, but guess what....His team is bigger and stronger than the one he had in the Big Least too.

Sure CBJ probably couldn't win against Alabama running this offense, or any offense, at Cincy. But guess what, he doesn't have Cincy level talent any more.
 
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At the 1:19 mark of this video you will see the RB flip sides right before the snap of the ball. The reason for this, is to combat a 2 weak blitz as we diagrammed earlier. If you look at the top right portion of the screen, you will see the DB blitz come into the picture as the ball is snapped. The defense on the 2 weak blitz is trying to make sure they have an extra defender (the DB here) to take the QB, so the DE can play the RB. By flipping the back so quickly, the defense doesn't have time to adjust. It results in a big run for the QB.

QB Munchie Legaux Highlights vs Pitt - 205 passing yards 2 TD and 117 rushing yards - HD - YouTube
 
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Vol8188 said:
What are you even saying?

Fast/strong defenders would make this offense harder to run? THERE IS NO OFFENSE THAT IS EASY TO RUN AGAINST PLAYER'S THAT ARE SUPERIOR TO YOU.

Here's what a lot of you fail to understand: ALL TALENT IS RELATIVE.

Meaning as long as an offense is based on sound principles (which the zone read is), then it will work at any level of football. Including the SEC.

Sure the SEC defenses he's facing may be bigger and stronger than the one's he saw in the Big Least, but guess what....His team is bigger and stronger than the one he had in the Big Least too.

Sure CBJ probably couldn't win against Alabama running this offense, or any offense, at Cincy. But guess what, he doesn't have Cincy level talent any more.
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This.

It's why his scheme worked at CMU and again at UC as long as his talent was equal/superior (it wasn't his first year at UC). CBJ knows this and that's why he places such an emphasis on recruiting.
 
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Vol8188 said:
What are you even saying?

Fast/strong defenders would make this offense harder to run? THERE IS NO OFFENSE THAT IS EASY TO RUN AGAINST PLAYER'S THAT ARE SUPERIOR TO YOU.

Here's what a lot of you fail to understand: ALL TALENT IS RELATIVE.

Meaning as long as an offense is based on sound principles (which the zone read is), then it will work at any level of football. Including the SEC.

Sure the SEC defenses he's facing may be bigger and stronger than the one's he saw in the Big Least, but guess what....His team is bigger and stronger than the one he had in the Big Least too.

Sure CBJ probably couldn't win against Alabama running this offense, or any offense, at Cincy. But guess what, he doesn't have Cincy level talent any more.
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I was only asking. What would be a bad match-up for this type of O? Speed is hard to match up with when your trying to beat the opposite to the point of attack. Calm down I liked everything you've said on here. I was just asking a logical question.

I believe the O will work great. Just curious.
 
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SmokeyFTW said:
I was only asking. What would be a bad match-up for this type of O? Speed is hard to match up with when your trying to beat the opposite to the point of attack. Calm down I liked everything you've said on here. I was just asking a logical question.

I believe the O will work great. Just curious.
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Fire-zones. Unbalanced lines. Psycho fronts.
 
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In theory, anything that prevents the quarterback from making an accurate read. Any sort of deception by the defense. Also--if your receivers can't force the leverage of the backers or corner to the outside, you're screwed on any outside exchange. In the NFL, reading across the board is almost worthless. No one reads 2-high or 1-high any more simply because safeties are getting from the deep hash (Cover 2 shell) to curl/flat in a mere seconds. Think freaks like Ed Reed or Eric Berry. You're reading the leverage of the corners and identifying fronts/mike for protection purposes and only taking a guess at the coverage. You can have an alert for box reads, but in the end it doesn't mean jack at the highest levels.
 
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Flipdaddy said:
So there is no hole assignment the rb hits the first opening or bounces outside?
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Yes. The most important piece is that the running back attack space and have great vision. The defense must play gaps and if they cheat (try to jump gaps) the mistake is amplified and made visible by a massive run lane. Assignment football on D or it is curtains against a zone.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The RB's are normally taught to read the defensive linemen, starting with the play side DE and moving to the play side DT.

If the play side DE jumps inside or gets hooked, we'll take the corner.

After that happens to the DE a time or two, then we start trying to reach him again, he will turn his shoulders and run to the sideline. When he does that, he creates space back inside of himself.

The RB then moves his eyes to the DT. If he is hooked, we hit it in B gap. If he's still chasing, we cut back into A gap. The QB reading the backside of the defense really helps slow then down and open up these cut back lanes that the backside DE and OLB should be filling.

These two reads happen really fast, and there is 0 dancing involved. The RB makes 1 cut and then he lowers his pads and gets what he can.
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One problem though is that you are at times asking linemen to "get their head across a d-lineman or linebacker" to make the hole which is a difficult block to make in consideration of the speed of most front sevens these days.
 
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Great info, now will it work with our players against Oregon, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina's defense?
It won't take long next year to find out....the upside is that it can't really get any worse than 2012....onward and upward....I hope...it's been very painful to be a Vol fan for an extended peroid of time now
 
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nice work OP. i like the vid you posted on the last page to help explain the play. it helps a lot for casual fans such as me. also, how are you finding out what different coaches call different plays? also also, i woulnt mind hearing your thoughts on our roster and your predictions on how our current players will fair in CBJs system. thanks.
 
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patrick said:
One problem though is that you are at times asking linemen to "get their head across a d-lineman or linebacker" to make the hole which is a difficult block to make in consideration of the speed of most front sevens these days.
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But you don't have to actually reach anyone. By trying to place your helmet outside of the defender and reach him, you force the defender to run laterally. This opens up holes back inside and allows you to push him past the hole.

On a lot of what look like cutback runs are actually cuts made back upfield. The RB never changes course, but the olone pushes the d line son far laterally that the ball ends up in backside b gap.
 
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patrick said:
One problem though is that you are at times asking linemen to "get their head across a d-lineman or linebacker" to make the hole which is a difficult block to make in consideration of the speed of most front sevens these days.
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The other option here, if the defense is too quick, is to go away from stretch and back to inside zone. Then you double team the quicker players and blow them off the ball
 
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SmokeyFTW said:
I was only asking. What would be a bad match-up for this type of O? Speed is hard to match up with when your trying to beat the opposite to the point of attack. Calm down I liked everything you've said on here. I was just asking a logical question.

I believe the O will work great. Just curious.
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Sorry if I took that the wrong way. I thought you were sayin it wouldn't work I'm the sec. There's a way of countering everything. If the do a, we can do b. so there is no perfect defense against this or any solid offense.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Sorry if I took that the wrong way. I thought you were sayin it wouldn't work I'm the sec. There's a way of countering everything. If the do a, we can do b. so there is no perfect defense against this or any solid offense.
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Tempo is a big key to this working as well. This offense forces opponents into a somewhat predictable defense by running no huddle. LSU and Auburn had a lot of time to prepare and did a nice job against Oregon. LSU beat WVU which is similar but gave up a lot of yards. I am more of a fan of traditional under center, play-action and running the ball out of the I formation. Shorten the game and play good defense.
 
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Zone blocking is nothing new at Tennessee, Even Cut used zone blocking under Fulmer.

Carry on
 
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thebjd said:
Tempo is a big key to this working as well. This offense forces opponents into a somewhat predictable defense by running no huddle. LSU and Auburn had a lot of time to prepare and did a nice job against Oregon. LSU beat WVU which is similar but gave up a lot of yards. I am more of a fan of traditional under center, play-action and running the ball out of the I formation. Shorten the game and play good defense.
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Another important thing about tempo is that it allows you to be very simple on offense.

But by playing so fast, the defense doesn't have time to notice the tendency and adjust properly.
 
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