Everything you need to know about the zone read

#103
#103
I get a sense Tyler Bray would not have been a good fit in this offense. Would he have had the brain power, or ability to tuck and run when needed, in your opinion OP?
 
#104
#104
orange parmejohn said:
OP, throw out a play, in this offense, that you would run on 3rd and long.
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There def. Not a perfect play for 3rd n long. Your position on the field will determine the play call. Example.. your 3rd n 15 on 35 yrd line on Opp. Side of the field. Your not going to call a 15 yrd play (there's always exceptions) but instead try to pick up enough to get ito FG range. Now if your on your on 20 yrd line with 3rd n long call a draw or sreen play. If you get it good but if not your playing the field position game.
 
#105
#105
orange parmejohn said:
OP, throw out a play, in this offense, that you would run on 3rd and long.
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Idk enough about his passing game to answer that. I believe most of it revolves around vertical steams and adjusting routes on the move to the reaction of the deep defenders.

Bam15 may be able to help you hear.
 
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#106
governmentmule said:
how long do you think it will take CBJ to get the players on board with this new system vol8188 ? will there be a learning curve still going on after the start of the season ? and great post ,love it,thanks for taking the time to help me and others to understand what CBJ likes to run
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I think Peterman can be a lot like Dan Lefevours at CMU. The o line is already there. This junco te, Vandenburg would be a big addition. And the backs are fine. Just need some young wr's to step up.

Don't be shocked if you see pig used on the jet sweep read plays, like the one I diagrammed last night..
 
#107
#107
patrick said:
I just dont prefer zone blocking.

It seems as if Tennessee has not fared well with this type blocking scheme going back to Jimmy Ray Stephens.
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It works for Nick Saban. We just need to improve talent wise at RB. But the additional threat of the qb running will open things up a lot and make our rbs look better than they really are.
 
#108
#108
Pig would be ideal for that type of play. He was the first one I thought for this system. It will fit him perfect. Woudnt suprise me at all for him to be used in that roll
 
#109
#109
SmokeyFTW said:
(QUOTE=orange parmejohn;8059960]OP, throw out a play, in this offense, that you would run on 3rd and long.
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There def. Not a perfect play for 3rd n long. Your position on the field will determine the play call. Example.. your 3rd n 15 on 35 yrd line on Opp. Side of the field. Your not going to call a 15 yrd play (there's always exceptions) but instead try to pick up enough to get ito FG range. Now if your on your on 20 yrd line with 3rd n long call a draw or sreen play. If you get it good but if not your playing the field position game.[/QUOTE]

To the 3rd and long question
 
#110
#110
SmokeyFTW said:
There def. Not a perfect play for 3rd n long. Your position on the field will determine the play call. Example.. your 3rd n 15 on 35 yrd line on Opp. Side of the field. Your not going to call a 15 yrd play (there's always exceptions) but instead try to pick up enough to get ito FG range. Now if your on your on 20 yrd line with 3rd n long call a draw or sreen play. If you get it good but if not your playing the field position game.
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To the 3rd and long question[/QUOTE]
(there's always exceptions) makes me think of Oregon throwing a bomb on 3rd and long from the 1 yard line, a couple years back, against Stanford i believe.
 
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#111
Vol8188 said:
Idk enough about his passing game to answer that. I believe most of it revolves around vertical steams and adjusting routes on the move to the reaction of the deep defenders.

Bam15 may be able to help you hear.
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That's another plus for this offense and an example of how you can adjust it for your personnel. I have no doubt that he would base his passing game on vertical routes if he has talent and speed like CP and JH. If you don't have the deep threats, it can easily be adjusted to run a passing game that relies more on levels and option routes. In a perfect world, you have the talent to run both.

This has been posted elsewhere. It is a good article that outlined the different options. Kelly had talent and ran the vertical passing game his last years at Cincinnati. Jones didn't have the talent when he started and adjusted the scheme accordingly.

Here is the link: The Difference Between Butch Jones and Brian Kelly: Part 1 - Down The Drive
 
#116
#116
or:

Alley screen. Jailbreak screen. Tunnel screen. Bubble screen.

All sarcasm aside--I know you want a real play:

4 verticals.
Smash with free release middle.
Double post.
Option route underneath.
Stacked release rub.
Double in-cuts.
Comebacks.

All of these routes being ran to the field from boundary. I like it that way. Screens to the boundary.
 
#118
#118
Also must realize:

Most coaches have a down and distance board with hashes in correlation with % of shells seen on those situations. If you get a cover 2 shell or man-free you're going to get automatic conversions on the far ends of the field into go routes unless they're locked. Weaknesses would be the deep middle, redline (outside the numbers past the curl/flat) and underneath with a back on backer.
 
#119
#119
Now if your 3 n 20 on the opp. 35 your playing for the FG. Call a 5 to 10 yrd play depending on the D and get the 3. The play should allow the receiver to get yards after catch. Hopefully. If you don't convert. Punt and pin them inside the 10 or pooch kick is always an option.

Of course it also depends on how good of a place kicker you have.

That's why the coaches get paid the big buck. A lot of variables to think about throughout the game.
 
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#120
#120
Part of the reason I'm enamored with this sport is statistics and the ability to approach different situations in opposite manners.

You have so many variables:

1. You have a down.
2. A distance.
3. A hash.
4. Field position.
5. Time remaining.
6. A point differential.
Scouting of:
7. Shells.
8. Nickel/Sub/Dime package.
9. Fronts.
10. Combo coverages. Cover 11/Cover 6/7/8/9 -- quarters/quarters/half is the rage in cfb right now.
Then Apply:
11. Plays you can run.
12. Plays that beat certain coverages.
13. Formations and motion that get you the looks you want.

You could take it a hundred opposite ways.
 
#122
#122
Not only that but you get packages within certain coverages.

Buzzed safeties. Inverted safeties (Sky). Linebackers walking out. Banjo coverage. Zone-blitzing. Fire-zone blitzes. % of blitzes from field or boundary. Robber mike. 0 Cover. straight man/cover 0x. Man-free. 2 Cover. Tampa 2. 3 Cover. Quarters. Combined half-field defenses where one side plays one coverage and the other man--or one hundred different ways, that is only an example.

Verbiage -- West coast crazies running plays that are 10 words or longer.

To the average person, it sounds like Russian.

The game of football is to make the complexities simplified.

My last blog sort of went this way and what Walsh envisioned and where Jones is headed:

  1. Teams will huddle only when the clock is stopped.
  2. Teams will use single-world offensive audibles.
  3. The quarterback will receive direction from the coach at the line of scrimmage. Because the ball can be put into play at any moment, the defense must commit itself with its front and coverage.
  4. The quarterback will look to the sideline the instant the whistle blows on the previous play to see which personnel combination is entering the game. The designated coach indicates the formation to the quarterback and whether he should audible his own play or will receive a play call from the coach. All of these steps will occur without a huddle.
  5. The quarterback will have even more latitude in audibling at the line of scrimmage. His decisions will override those by the coach signaling in a play call.

If you're Manning or Brady:

  1. You're reading the eyes of the corners and depth.
    Traditional reads--
    (If they're aligned up with the receiver and the eyes are on the receiver it's probably 0 or man-free)
    (If they're aligned up with the receiver, in an open stance and with eyes on quarterback it's probably 2 cover)
    (If they're aligned with the safeties in 2-high off of the receiver with eyes on the quarterback it's probably quarters)
    (If they're aligned with one safety off of the receiver and eyes on receiver it's probably 3 cover)
    This is simplification. All you can do is GUESS what the defense is throwing at you.
  2. Calling plays with alerts for looks to kill the original play.
  3. Moving players around.
  4. Got an annoying little sucker in your ear telling you what to do until 15 seconds.
  5. A crowd.
  6. Identifying the mike linebacker for protection purposes.
  7. Remembering your reads on certain concepts.

Add what I said earlier and you can be overwhelmed. No wonder there are only like six guys who can do this well.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It works for Nick Saban. We just need to improve talent wise at RB. But the additional threat of the qb running will open things up a lot and make our rbs look better than they really are.
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And Saban has more talent at just about every position than Tennessee does. But it can be effective - just not my cup of tea. Hopefully zone blocking will work better for CBJ than it has for Tenn in the recent past.
 
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patrick said:
And Saban has more talent at just about every position than Tennessee does. But it can be effective - just not my cup of tea. Hopefully zone blocking will work better for CBJ than it has for Tenn in the recent past.
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Diff. Team, Diff. Coach, Diff. Offense, Diff. Players.
This O is about fundamentals

My glass is half full. It will work.
 
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#125
#125
patrick said:
And Saban has more talent at just about every position than Tennessee does. But it can be effective - just not my cup of tea. Hopefully zone blocking will work better for CBJ than it has for Tenn in the recent past.
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Zone-blocking is certainly more common than solely Alabama. I think that was a rather poor example.
 
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