Everything you need to know about the zone read

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bam15 said:
Zone-blocking is certainly more common than solely Alabama. I think that was a rather poor example.
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I like using Alabama as an example because a lot ppl on here seem to think that zone is a finesse type of offense.

But USCjr would be a lot closer to what we'll be doing. And minus last yrs RB, their offense is very even with what we have. I think Peterman get be a lot like Shaw, and our oline is probably better than there's.

Like USC last yr, we just need a few guys to step up at wr.
 
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recoachtn said:
That's another plus for this offense and an example of how you can adjust it for your personnel. I have no doubt that he would base his passing game on vertical routes if he has talent and speed like CP and JH. If you don't have the deep threats, it can easily be adjusted to run a passing game that relies more on levels and option routes. In a perfect world, you have the talent to run both.

This has been posted elsewhere. It is a good article that outlined the different options. Kelly had talent and ran the vertical passing game his last years at Cincinnati. Jones didn't have the talent when he started and adjusted the scheme accordingly.

Here is the link: The Difference Between Butch Jones and Brian Kelly: Part 1 - Down The Drive
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Awesome link. Thanks for the info. I always thought CBJ was more like Kelly in his use of the vertical passing game.

This probably good for our offense though, since we have been and will continue to run a west coast passing attack.
 
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I really like what we have going with this thread. Some great questions have been asked, and Bam15 and recoachtn have both made great contributions.

If you want to see the zone at its best, watch the Texans at 1.

I'll have a post ready tonight going into more detail on the use of the bubble screen and fade as triple and quadruple options off of zone read
 
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THANKS to the OP and other knowledgable posters on this thread.

I like getting more understanding and learning what we CAN do rather than so many that really know nothing always telling us what we can NOT do.

All players can and can not do certain things but we need to be more positive minded around here and focus on what CAN be done by specific players and how they CAN make things work to help us rebuild back to the top 10 status we should always be at or near every year.

Pig can do some things that will help us.

The CROOMSTER can do some things that will help us.

The same can be found with most of our players that CAN do specific things well that can help us.

Different player packages for different plays that can help us move the ball better or for Defense that can help us defend better against different things.

I wish all threads here on VN would focus more on the different things each player CAN do and how they will work in the systems that CBJ and staff will have us doing rather than to just bash a player for mistakes or things he's doesn't do well or isn't suited to do with certain skills.

This thread is both educational and shows things our players can do that will make us a much better team especially when CBJ has a few years to recruit the types of players he needs at every position.

This time our rebuilding is being done by much better coaches with a Winning plan that's worked everywhere they've been.

It's still ALWAYS great to be a Tennessee fan!!!

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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i cant give a specific reason why, but i find that write up on Jones/Kelly a little bit discouraging. it reads as if Jone's O is about precision. that may take a long time to instill, against some nasty defenses. seems Kelly let his playmakers make plays. is my line of thought off, here?
 
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orange parmejohn said:
i cant give a specific reason why, but i find that write up on Jones/Kelly a little bit discouraging. it reads as if Jone's O is about precision. that may take a long time to instill, against some nasty defenses. seems Kelly let his playmakers make plays. is my line of thought off, here?
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Yeah, the author didn't speak highly of cbj, but I think that was written right after his 4-8 season. Opinions greatly changed after that.

Another thing I took from the article is that he's a west coast guy. So was Chaney, so the transition should be smoother than it was at Cincy
 
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Vol8188 said:
I like using Alabama as an example because a lot ppl on here seem to think that zone is a finesse type of offense.

But USCjr would be a lot closer to what we'll be doing. And minus last yrs RB, their offense is very even with what we have. I think Peterman get be a lot like Shaw, and our oline is probably better than there's.

Like USC last yr, we just need a few guys to step up at wr.
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I think in all honesty you can find few teams that don't run zone. Ton of teams are now 100% zone.
 
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Love this thread, I'm not very football "savy" so I'm finding this very useful. Keep it coming! :hi:
 
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Vol8188 said:
Even Saban mainly runs 1 back zone stuff these days.

And this is still a run first offense.The great thing about running from the gun is the numbers advantage.

From the I formation the qb is not a big run threat, and whoever runs the ball can't block for himself.

So you end up with 9 blockers for 11 defenders.

In the gun you are playing 10 on 11. That's why a lot of the best rushing teams in the NCAA play from the gun.
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He uses some pistol as well which is a power running formation.
 
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d3ft punk said:
Matt Opper explaining how Jones used the Wham blocking at Cincinnati:

Film Study | Because We All Need A Little More WHAM In Our Lives

Chris Brown on the Pistol formation creeping into the NFL:

The future is already here: How the Pistol Offense is changing the NFL
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What he calls Wham, everyone else in America calls inside zone. The wing back is replacing the fullback who normally handles the backside defensive end on inside zone runs.

This is what I consider WHAM: It's an inside trap play where the Wingback traps the NG or DT. The RB starts out making the play look like stretch, then he bends it back inside behind the trap block.
 

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orange parmejohn said:
what is the pistol actually?
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It's really good to prevent defenses from loading up to stop the run opposite of the RB (because the RB almost always runs the ball to the opposite side of the field, from which he aligns in the shotgun).

It's also great for preventing the defense from knowing which side you're sliding your protection in the passing game. Most teams slide or half slide away from the RB. If the RB is behind the QB, you can slide to either side.
 
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2011 WV vs. Cincy Notes:

Run plays:
2 x draw
2-3 x QB zone bob. (QB runs zone and the RB acts as the lead blocker)
3-4 x Zone Bash Plays (see page 2 or 3 for a diagram).
A ton of inside zone and zone stretch (see page 1 or 2 for a diagram).

Pass Plays (it's tough to evaluate all of them due to the tight camera angles, you can mainly only see the QB and the oline on most pass plays):
2 x Y cross
2 x Mesh
2 x 4 verticals
3-4 x scat (mainly from 3x1)
1 x bootleg (Y goes away from the RB as if he's blocking the Backside DE on zone, and then hits the flats)
3-4 RB screens

Interesting point on the zone bob play is that the RB who is the lead blocker will read the zone the same way he would if he had the football. The QB will also read the zone like a RB. This way, if they both make the same read, the lead blocker will be going through the same hole that QB hits.

Despite losing his starting QB early in the game, CBJ has his team in a position to take the game into overtime with a chip shot field goal with :03 on the clock. Sadly it gets blocked, and time expires. His game plan involved a lot of play action and RB screen passes, and defensively they held a WV team that went on the scorch Clemson for 70 to only 24 points.

#23 Cincinnati vs West Virginia 2011 - YouTube
 

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Vol8188 said:
What he calls Wham, everyone else in America calls inside zone. The wing back is replacing the fullback who normally handles the backside defensive end on inside zone runs.

This is what I consider WHAM: It's an inside trap play where the Wingback traps the NG or DT. The RB starts out making the play look like stretch, then he bends it back inside behind the trap block.
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I’ve seen the Broncos do something like this with Shannon Sharpe way back in the 1900s, and the Texans used to flex out a FB and have him motion back and seek the SS. I think it’s just what they figured was a good way to change up their blocking scheme on the goal line. They only ran out of the Pistol on 3rd/4th & short/money downs. And calling that a WHAM block is just like the 459 million different versions of the “West Coast Offense”.
 
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d3ft punk said:
I’ve seen the Broncos do something like this with Shannon Sharpe way back in the 1900s, and the Texans used to flex out a FB and have him motion back and seek the SS. I think it’s just what they figured was a good way to change up their blocking scheme on the goal line. They only ran out of the Pistol on 3rd/4th & short/money downs. And calling that a WHAM block is just like the 459 million different versions of the “West Coast Offense”.
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I may just be prejudice against the author because I didn't like his break down of the differences between CBJ and CBK. He didn't give a lot of real detail.

If you look at the 30 second mark of this game, there's a great example of the wham play. Almost everyone I've ever talked to has considered wham to be a trap play by a FB, WB, or TE.
BOSS TV: 49ers vs Lions (2011) - YouTube
 
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If anyone wants to see what our running game will probably look like next season, check out the USCjr game.
 
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