Expect Huckabee to be in the crosshairs tonight

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GAVol said:
I'd say the winners were McCain, Huckabee and Giuliani just because he got a a lot of attention and took some punches without losing his message.

Romney and Thompson just looked lost.

Paul has some good ideas but should try answering a question without channeling Marshall Applewhite.

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From what I saw, I absolutely agree with you about McCain and Huckabee, maybe I just didn't see enough of Giuliani, but I don't know that he necessarily helped himself, although I don't necessarily think he hurt himself either. The more I see Huckabee, the more I think he will challenge Giuliani in the primaries. I think Romney is getting close to fading out.
 
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Why do they always check with undecided voters to see what they think? CNN just interviewed a couple of people from a focus group and it is clear that they have no earthly idea what is going on. One "Republican undecided voter" just said she is leaning toward John Edwards. :stop:
 
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GAVol said:
Why do they always check with undecided voters to see what they think? CNN just interviewed a couple of people from a focus group and it is clear that they have no earthly idea what is going on. One "Republican undecided voter" just said she is leaning toward John Edwards. :stop:
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Yeah, CNN just happened to find the one undecided Republican that would vote for Edwards. Amazing...
 
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CNN also just acknowledged that the gay General that they allowed to stand up and filibuster about gays in the military might have possibly worked on a steering committee for Hillary Clinton.

Unbelievable that they would let somebody stand up and hammer on a wedge issue during a Presidential debate, much less an overt partisan.
 
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Winners - McCain and Huckabee
Losers - Mitt, Rudy, and Fred

Definitely past Fred's bed time. He looked confused and lost. Either my tint was off or it looked like he had scurvy with those seriously red gums. This was by far his worst appearance.

Rudy just came across as unfocused and desperate. He seemed bitter and vindictive.

Mitt tried too hard to say the right answer. He was lost on the torture issue and was definitely lost on the Bible issue. Abortion was not good for him either.

And as GAVOL said, Huckabee has been a FairTax guy since day one. Not sure where the "he's copying Paul" thing came from.
 
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I think if anything there is some aspect of the base that will drop off from each candidate tomorrow...some more than others. Talk radio and the blogs will be on fire tomorrow. I think for the first time there will be serious movement on support due to a debate.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
And as GAVOL said, Huckabee has been a FairTax guy since day one. Not sure where the "he's copying Paul" thing came from.
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Maybe him saying that he would abolish the IRS? :ermm:

Show me one other candidate other than Paul that has even come out and said they would go that far? Heck, you would be hard pressed to even find one candidate that would openly say they support the Fair Tax.
 
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The point though is that Huckabee has been saying that since day 1. He's not copying anybody.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I think if anything there is some aspect of the base that will drop off from each candidate tomorrow...some more than others. Talk radio and the blogs will be on fire tomorrow. I think for the first time there will be serious movement on support due to a debate.
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These were some great questions they allowed to be asked. I think the questions are what actually made or broke the candidates. Huckabee will get a huge boost after this debate. I felt even before the debate that Huck would get some attention and have some jabs aimed at him, but I was really surprised that outside of Thompson's campaign ad, nobody really took a serious swipe at him.
 
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Umm, perhaps you've missed two people who have already said Huck has done so since Day One. He's been consistent on that from the get-go. How can he copy Paul when he's been behind this for some time.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I was really surprised that outside of Thompson's campaign ad, nobody really took a serious swipe at him.
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I think the other candidates are a little weary of legitimizing his campaign. Plus, criticizing a nice guy who is a Baptist Minister is not easy.
 
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GAVol said:
I think the other candidates are a little weary of legitimizing his campaign. Plus, criticizing a nice guy who is a Baptist Minister is not easy.
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Bingo. They'll let him peak and then start hitting him publicly. They've already launched the subtle attacks. Plus thanks to Fred's ad, no one else had to attack him. Fred got the message that everyone else wanted to across and they still had clean hands. I bet had Fred's ad been at the very end, someone else would have said something negative against Huck.
 
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I think Romney would hedge on a question about whether the sun was going to rise.
 
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GA had a Republican blogger and party activist asking a question....Buzz Brockway on Iraq. I'm not a big fan of Buzz but it was nice to see someone you know asking a question.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Umm, perhaps you've missed two people who have already said Huck has done so since Day One. He's been consistent on that from the get-go. How can he copy Paul when he's been behind this for some time.
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He may have supported the Fair Tax, but I've never heard any candidate other than Paul come out and say they support abolishing the IRS. If Huckabee did say that he would do away with the IRS in other debates or in an interview, I missed it him (or any of these other guys saying it) and it was an honest mistake.

And most of the people I've heard supporting the Fair Tax have said that they would simplify the tax codes, but I haven't heard any of the supporters of the Fair Tax come right out and say they would do away with the IRS.
 
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GAVol said:
I think the other candidates are a little weary of legitimizing his campaign. Plus, criticizing a nice guy who is a Baptist Minister is not easy.
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That is clearly the reason. I have to say, Huck comes off as a decent man. I don't agree with most of his platform, but I would consider him if he makes it out of the primaries.

Basically, I guess my biggest concern is if Rudy, Mitt, or McCain get the nomination. Any of these three would simply maintain the status quo. We need real change. I've even come to the conclusion that Thompson is too mainstream, and he was supposed to be the real conservative.

This is what we are left to decide from. Oh well..
 
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Linder's FairTax bill is inclusive in that it calls for the abolition of the FairTax. If you support the concept of the FairTax you support abolishing the IRS. There is some confusion between supporting "a fair tax" and supporting "THE FairTax".
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Linder's FairTax bill is inclusive in that it calls for the abolition of the FairTax. If you support the concept of the FairTax you support abolishing the IRS. There is some confusion between supporting "a fair tax" and supporting "THE FairTax".
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I'm not sure the general public realizes that nuance. I've certainly heard plenty of arguments for the FT, but again, and I will close with this, I haven't heard anyone come out and say that the FT would eliminate the IRS. What I've heard is that it would simplify our tax returns to the size of a postcard. The way I had understood the FT was that there would still be a need for the IRS as a collecting/enforcement agency.
 
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Reading what Huckabee did at Arkansas, I'm having a hard time understanding why I should vote for him.
"the biggest taxer and spender in Arkansas history".[
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On a sidebar, its interesting he lost 110 lbs while he was governor.
 
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oklavol said:
Reading what Huckabee did at Arkansas, I'm having a hard time understanding why I should vote for him.



He basicly came in and made huge increases in spending and raised taxes. Two things I'm against.

On a sidebar, its interesting he lost 110 lbs while he was governor.
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Did Huck support the FT in Arkansas?
 
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oklavol said:
From what I read, there weren't many taxes in Arkansas he didn't like.
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Well, just asking, because apparently he's been a supporter of the FT since Day 1. I'm not sure if it is Day 1 after he left office or if it was Day 1 when he first heard about it.
 
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oklavol said:
Reading what Huckabee did at Arkansas, I'm having a hard time understanding why I should vote for him.
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Right now, the main appeal that he has is that he is probably the most authentic social conservative in the race.

His tax record is a little problematic, but then again, since his days in Arkansas he has become a FAIR Tax supporter, so I'd say his stance has changed.
 
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