Explain your contempt for Erik Ainge?

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Originally posted by VolunteerHillbilly@Dec 16, 2005 1:55 PM
Unfortunately there are people who beat their kids, spouse, pets, etc. if UT loses.  This is serious f-n s**t to some people.
If he was any good he wouldn't have hurt himself.
you should be more trusting of others.
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yeah, did you hear about the bama fan who shot his son when they lost to us in the long overtime game a couple years back...

that is crazy. if we suck i learn to live with it.
 
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orange empire, he makes way to many mistakes and alot of just terrible plays. he get's rattled easy, makes bad decisions. the team wanted to follow clausen rather than him. he made plays i would have expected a sophmore in high school to make not a college QB, especially one at a D-1 school. like i said before if CUT could turn him into an all-sec QB he is a football god. Ainge needs football intelligence, he has all the tools just no football brain. mechanics, reading defenses, rattled easy, doesn't like to get hit, stupid plays. CUT has alot of work to do. :banghead:
 
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Originally posted by smokedog#3@Dec 16, 2005 2:48 PM
orange empire,  he makes way to many mistakes and alot of just terrible plays.  he get's rattled easy,  makes bad decisions.  the team wanted to follow clausen rather than him.  he made plays i would have expected a sophmore in high school to make not a college QB,  especially one at a D-1 school.  like i said before if CUT could turn him into an all-sec QB he is a football god.  Ainge needs football intelligence,  he has all the tools just no football brain.  mechanics,  reading defenses,  rattled easy,  doesn't like to get hit,  stupid plays.  CUT has alot of work to do. :banghead:
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I don't think things that happened this year make him a "stupid" player. Fact is many of the mistakes Ainge made Clausen made as well. A certain poster says Clausen was smarter. Well I'd hope he was since he learned under two offensive systems and two OCs. Plus he's been around much longer.

The kid proved he has the talent and skills because of last year and at certain times this year.

The problem I have is that no one on this board has any clue as to what really happened and why this year. Half the board just thinks this was a fluke year and there is no problem with the team as a whole. Until Cut gets in there and figures out what is going on, I'm willing to sit back and let the man making the big bucks decide if Ainge is smart, dumb, an idiot, or whatever.
 
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Ainge made stupid mistakes because no one put him in those situations during practice. Bet you that will change with Cut.
 
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Originally posted by smokedog#3@Dec 16, 2005 2:48 PM
Ainge needs football intelligence,  he has all the tools just no football brain.  mechanics,  reading defenses,  rattled easy,  doesn't like to get hit,  stupid plays.  CUT has alot of work to do. :banghead:
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I agree with pretty much every thing there. In fact, he sounds a lot like a young kid learning the position!

You know, a Sophomore Slump is not exactly unheard of.
 
#81
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Especially in this years environment. When all you do is think about the next bad thing that could happen, it happens.
 
#82
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Originally posted by cotton@Dec 16, 2005 4:27 PM
You know, a Sophomore Slump is not exactly unheard of.
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Hell the best in the Pros go through slumps. Look at Favre, McNabb, etc. Look at Vick. His stats are all over the place. His ratings, yards, interceptions, fumbles, etc. are some of the worst in the league. I guess us Falcons fans or fans of the above mentioned need to hang their hats up and say we suck.
 
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I don't want to get too down on EA since there is a good chance that he will play next year, but he is just so darn bad. I've said it before, just becasue the staff messed a guy up does not mean that they are obligated to fix him. Sometimes you just gotta toss out the garbage.
 
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Originally posted by VolunteerHillbilly@Dec 16, 2005 4:35 PM
I don't want to get too down on EA since there is a good chance that he will play next year, but he is just so darn bad.  I've said it before, just becasue the staff messed a guy up does not mean that they are obligated to fix him.  Sometimes you just gotta toss out the garbage.
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after what he did as a freshman, he deserves one more shot imo. if he cant get it together by the first quarter of games next year, then we make a switch for good. do not go back to him after that.
 
#86
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Originally posted by VolunteerHillbilly@Dec 16, 2005 5:35 PM
I don't want to get too down on EA since there is a good chance that he will play next year, but he is just so darn bad.  I've said it before, just becasue the staff messed a guy up does not mean that they are obligated to fix him.  Sometimes you just gotta toss out the garbage.
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Agreed.

Its one thing to have a sophomore slump, what he had was more like a meltdown. He's not ranked in the top 200 QB's in division I.
 
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EA will be fine. Ole Cut will reign him in and simplfy the offense. Make his progression simple like 1,2, and/or dump off.

He will never be All- SEC or All-American you must keep that in mind. And Vols fans thought this years offense was uncreative....wait till '06!
 
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Originally posted by hohenfelsvol@Dec 16, 2005 5:05 PM
Ainge made stupid mistakes because no one put him in those situations during practice.  Bet you that will change with Cut.
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So, you are saying that they should spend more practice making sure that a college QB (who has played QB now for 6 to 8 years of his life) can understand why you don't committ intentional grounding in the end zone??? This isn't Pop Warner.
 
#89
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 16, 2005 6:25 PM
So, you are saying that they should spend more practice making sure that a college QB (who has played QB now for 6 to 8 years of his life) can understand why you don't committ intentional grounding in the end zone???  This isn't Pop Warner.
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And you're saying that Manning shouldn't have had that intentional grounding call against him because by now he should know better and know where the line of scrimmage is? Manning's incompetent. He should be cast out of the NFL for such a stupid and careless mistake!
 
#90
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Originally posted by Big Orange Diesel@Dec 16, 2005 5:47 PM
EA will be fine. Ole Cut will reign him in and simplfy the offense.  Make his progression simple like 1,2, and/or dump off. 

He will never be All- SEC or All-American you must keep that in mind.  And Vols fans thought this years offense was uncreative....wait till  '06!
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So, we are going to dumb down our whole offense to keep one kid around, instead of letting Cut open the playbook up with Crompton? So...the point of getting Cutcliffe was???
 
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 16, 2005 7:27 PM
And you're saying that Manning shouldn't have had that intentional grounding call against him because by now he should know better and know where the line of scrimmage is? Manning's incompetent. He should be cast out of the NFL for such a stupid and careless mistake!
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And when was this Peyton safety?
 
#92
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 16, 2005 6:28 PM
So, we are going to dumb down our whole offense to keep one kid around, instead of letting Cut open the playbook up with Crompton?  So...the point of getting Cutcliffe was???
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No we're going to let Cut do what he's paid to do and figure out on his own who starts.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 16, 2005 6:30 PM
And when was this Peyton safety?
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Safety? Huh? Where in what I said did I mention safety? Pay attention. You live longer that way.
 
#94
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 16, 2005 7:31 PM
Safety? Huh? Where in what I said did I mention safety? Pay attention. You live longer that way.
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Take your own advice, please. I specifically stated that Ainge should know not to commit intentional grounding in the end zone (if you need a rule refresher, that results in a safety.) So, your counter about Peyton (if it did not result in a safety) didn't even belong in the conversation.
 
#95
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 16, 2005 6:35 PM
Take your own advice, please.  I specifically stated that Ainge should know not to commit intentional grounding in the end zone (if you need a rule refresher, that results in a safety.)  So, your counter about Peyton (if it did not result in a safety) didn't even belong in the conversation.
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Um. Clearly you're not quick on the obvious. Your point was about stupid mistakes and saying pop warner. My point is that mistakes happen. People are human. You said Ainge should have known better since he "has played QB now for 6 to 8 years of his life". I say that Manning has been around much longer and made a mistake as well. He's made quite a few. He's thrown a lot of poor passes that were intercepted.

So yes it belonged in the conversation thank you. I'm specifically stating that these kids are human and they make mistakes. Even the big boys who get paid the big bucks make even worse mistakes than this kid. And they've been out of Pop Warner leagues far longer.
 
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 16, 2005 7:39 PM
Um. Clearly you're not quick on the obvious. Your point was about stupid mistakes and saying pop warner. My point is that mistakes happen. People are human. You said Ainge should have known better since he "has played QB now for 6 to 8 years of his life". I say that Manning has been around much longer and made a mistake as well. He's made quite a few. He's thrown a lot of poor passes that were intercepted.

So yes it belonged in the conversation thank you. I'm specifically stating that these kids are human and they make mistakes. Even the big boys who get paid the big bucks make even worse mistakes than this kid. And they've been out of Pop Warner leagues far longer.
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A mistake that costs a team 5 yards and a loss of down is by and large in a different league than one that costs the team 2 points and loss of possession. This happened 3 times this year with Ainge!
 
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Where were all of these haters when Ainge was 2nd team freshman all-America? And now we should lynch him in favor of a redshirt freshman who has never taken a college snap or some un-named highschool Messiah? What in God's name would make anyone think that someone who they have never seen take a snap would be better than the highschool blue chipper we got 2 years ago?

Crompton may be better. Mustain may be better (he may also be wearing red next year.) If that is the case, I have no doubt that Ainge will be on the bench. But the fact remains that we have a talented young player at QB who had a bad year. I'm not sure that makes him a lost cause.
 
#98
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 16, 2005 7:00 PM
A mistake that costs a team 5 yards and a loss of down is by and large in a different league than one that costs the team 2 points and loss of possession.  This happened 3 times this year with Ainge!
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A judgment mistake is a judgment mistake. You didn't classify the mistake. You said something he should have known after 8 years of playing football.

And your three references are? When were the three times he caused a safety? The UK game was a bogus call that was muffed by the refs. Don't give me crap about that because I still have the video of it showing otherwise.
 
#99
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Originally posted by cotton@Dec 16, 2005 7:01 PM
Where were all of these haters when Ainge was 2nd team freshman all-America?  And now we should lynch him in favor of a redshirt freshman who has never taken a college snap or some un-named highschool Messiah?  What in God's name would make anyone think that someone who they have never seen take a snap would be better than the highschool blue chipper we got 2 years ago?

Crompton may be better.  Mustain may be better (he may also be wearing red next year.)  If that is the case, I have no doubt that Ainge will be on the bench.  But the fact remains that we have a talented young player at QB who had a bad year.  I'm not sure that makes him a lost cause.
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Yeah, they'd rather call Ainge stupid and then put their faith on someone who still cannot throw the ball right now and who's never taken a snap in a game. And Ainge is wreckless?
 
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 16, 2005 8:03 PM
A judgment mistake is a judgment mistake. You didn't classify the mistake. You said something he should have known after 8 years of playing football.

And your three references are? When were the three times he caused a safety? The UK game was a bogus call that was muffed by the refs. Don't give me crap about that because I still have the video of it showing otherwise.
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The UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY GAME. The LSU game would have been intentional grounding, but LSU picked it off, so instead they got 7 points. SC last year.
 
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