Explosions in Norway

#27
#27
volinbham said:
Not fair to suspect? Why? That's what police investigation is all about.

If I said it was 100% certain that Islamists were behind this then I'd agree. But if I speculate based on the history of recent terror attacks and activities that might be (and have in the past been) seen as provocations then it's a natural conclusion to look towards these groups as likely perps.
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They blew up the oil building. Could it not have been eco-terrorists unhappy with the government?

The government's also on the left side of the spectrum. Ultra right-wing groups have made attacks in recent memory, as well. Could it not have been a right-wing fringe group?

Narrowing it down instantly to one group is questionable, at best. Think about it- if the Oklahoma City bombings had happened a year ago, how many people would have instantly jumped to the conclusion that it was an Islamic-led terror attack?
 
#28
#28
Think about it- if the Oklahoma City bombings had happened a year ago, how many people would have instantly jumped to the conclusion that it was an Islamic-led terror attack?
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Not the American media. Domestic attacks are either initially initially linked to "Tea Party extremism" (see Jarred Loughner) or any connection to Islam is downplayed (see Major Hasan).
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#29
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rockytop9808 said:
They blew up the oil building. Could it not have been eco-terrorists unhappy with the government?

The government's also on the left side of the spectrum. Ultra right-wing groups have made attacks in recent memory, as well. Could it not have been a right-wing fringe group?

Narrowing it down instantly to one group is questionable, at best. Think about it- if the Oklahoma City bombings had happened a year ago, how many people would have instantly jumped to the conclusion that it was an Islamic-led terror attack?
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Absolutely could have been eco-terrorists. Who narrowed it down instantly to one group? Who concluded that it was any specific group?
 
#30
#30
Does anybody else find it interesting that the shooting occurred at a Labour Party Youth Camp?

Are there Republican Party and Democratic Party Youth Camps that I am unaware of in America?

Nothing better than indoctrinating kids early into ideologies that their developing minds cannot even begin to comprehend.
 
#31
#31
therealUT said:
Does anybody else find it interesting that the shooting occurred at a Labour Party Youth Camp?

Are there Republican Party and Democratic Party Youth Camps that I am unaware of in America?

Nothing better than indoctrinating kids early into ideologies that their developing minds cannot even begin to comprehend.
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Gotta get 'em while their young. The camps/clubs that i have heard of, I think, are geared more for teens though. Still, gotta get 'em when their young.
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#32
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That the guy was dressed as a policeman and attacked one party's youth camp, in context of the bombing, seems quite odd.

Usually, Al Qaeda attacks an entire nation, rather than singling out particular political parties. The bombing of a government building is consistent with that, but targeting a particular youth camp isn't.

I suppose it could be that the Labour Party is perceived as having been more at fault for some reason. Or, it could be that if its Al Qaeda this is intentional and designed to create a divide.

The other alternative are that they are unrelated (seems unlikely) or that this was a homegrown act a la McVeigh rather than an act of international terrorism.
 
#33
#33
therealUT said:
Does anybody else find it interesting that the shooting occurred at a Labour Party Youth Camp?

Are there Republican Party and Democratic Party Youth Camps that I am unaware of in America?

Nothing better than indoctrinating kids early into ideologies that their developing minds cannot even begin to comprehend.
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Whoa... Like Bible camp?
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#34
#34
lawgator1 said:
That the guy was dressed as a policeman and attacked one party's youth camp, in context of the bombing, seems quite odd.

Usually, Al Qaeda attacks an entire nation, rather than singling out particular political parties. The bombing of a government building is consistent with that, but targeting a particular youth camp isn't.

I suppose it could be that the Labour Party is perceived as having been more at fault for some reason. Or, it could be that if its Al Qaeda this is intentional and designed to create a divide.

The other alternative are that they are unrelated (seems unlikely) or that this was a homegrown act a la McVeigh rather than an act of international terrorism.
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Are the two attacks related?
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#36
#36
lawgator1 said:
That the guy is currently being reported as a 6'3", blonde Norwegian who was dressed as a policeman and attacked one party's youth camp, in context of the bombing, seems quite odd.

Usually, Al Qaeda attacks an entire nation, rather than singling out particular political parties. The bombing of a government building is consistent with that, but targeting a particular youth camp isn't.

I suppose it could be that the Labour Party is perceived as having been more at fault for some reason. Or, it could be that if its Al Qaeda this is intentional and designed to create a divide.

The other alternative are that they are unrelated (seems unlikely) or that this was a homegrown act a la McVeigh rather than an act of international terrorism.
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fyp
 
#43
#43
fl0at said:
Is it starting to look like a McVeigh style anti-government, anti-party type domestic terrorist event?
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Right now, I cannot find any reports that are not just continually updated chaos. I am sure that tomorrow morning, there will be plenty of solid articles. Also noticed that some jihad organization is already claiming responsibility.

I think right now it is anybody's guess as to who was responsible and what the motives were.
 
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#44
Per the NY Times, "Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami" is claiming responsibility.
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Edit: here's the link

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?_r=1&hp
 
#45
#45
rockytop9808 said:
The government's also on the left side of the spectrum. Ultra right-wing groups have made attacks in recent memory, as well. Could it not have been a right-wing fringe group?

Narrowing it down instantly to one group is questionable, at best. Think about it- if the Oklahoma City bombings had happened a year ago, how many people would have instantly jumped to the conclusion that it was an Islamic-led terror attack?
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Calling neo nazis right wing is a stretch, in WWII the
moslems fielded 3 divisions of crack SS troops.

OKC was an islamic operation from the start and they
claimed credit for the event.

They involved a couple of nuts to be the fall guys and
it worked along with the help of the Clinton administration
and a cooperative media.

Nichols learned his bomb making skills from moslems
in the Philipines and there were two mideasterners
involved right up until the truck was parked in front
of the Murrah buildg.
 
#46
#46
dreVol said:
Per the NY Times, "Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami" is claiming responsibility.
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It sounds fishy, though; as if some minor group wants to brand themselves in an attempt to recruit. The reasons they cite for the attack are both very weak and very vague:

The New York Times reported that "the message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad.
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Most times when responsibility is claimed, there is a very specific litany of offenses. "Presence in Afghanistan" and "unspecified insults"...I am not buying it.
 
#47
#47
lawgator1 said:
That the guy was dressed as a policeman and attacked one party's youth camp, in context of the bombing, seems quite odd.

Usually, Al Qaeda attacks an entire nation, rather than singling out particular political parties. The bombing of a government building is consistent with that, but targeting a particular youth camp isn't.
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My guess is because Labour is the leading party in the coalition government and the Prime Minister is from Labour.
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#48
#48
gsvol said:
Calling neo nazis right wing is a stretch, in WWII the
moslems fielded 3 divisions of crack SS troops.

OKC was an islamic operation from the start and they
claimed credit for the event.

They involved a couple of nuts to be the fall guys and
it worked along with the help of the Clinton administration
and a cooperative media.

Nichols learned his bomb making skills from moslems
in the Philipines and there were two mideasterners
involved right up until the truck was parked in front
of the Murrah buildg.
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Claiming responsibility means very little; many jihad organizations will claim responsibility in order to improve recruiting. Moslems in the Philippines were using industrial grade fertilizer for their bombs? I call Bull-Sh** on that ridiculous presumption.
 
#49
#49
therealUT said:
It sounds fishy, though; as if some minor group wants to brand themselves in an attempt to recruit. The reasons they cite for the attack are both very weak and very vague:
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True enough. Like you said, we'll learn more in the coming days.
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#50
#50
therealUT said:
Claiming responsibility means very little; many jihad organizations will claim responsibility in order to improve recruiting. Moslems in the Philippines were using industrial grade fertilizer for their bombs? I call Bull-Sh** on that ridiculous presumption.
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This is very likely. I seem to recall several times that low level jihad groups have claimed responsibility for events that were not, in fact, their own doing.

The lone gunman, if in fact it was a lone gunman, points more to domestic anti-government types, I would think.

But, who knows.
 
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